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Yes, that is clearer. But...it still doesn't explain why the Church must leave. Yes, I know the HS is present within 'The Church'. But if we're talking, strictly, about the HS moving aside specifically to let the Man of Lawlessness forward, then there is still nothing that necessitates the...

Actually, it doesn't say that the Restrainer is restraining ALL lawlessness. The passage says that the power of lawlessness is already at work. The Restrainer is restraining it only to the level of the Man of Lawlessness to 'reveal' himself. [3] Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day...

Wow. Aren't you a happy little ray of sunshine in conversation.

The Restrainer could very well be God. In fact, as God is sovereign over everything and has his hand and power over everything and all that will be done at that time, we could, in fact, say that ultimately it will be his power behind the Restrainer, be it an angel, or even the Church. My point...

And what is that supposed to mean? Is Christ fully God?

I do think this is the right interpretation, yes. Do you find it interesting in the Luke passages that it almost bookends the subject? It starts with "see here, see there"...the warning of the false messiahs. And then right at the end there is again that warning...'where the corpse it, there...

Why does he have to be omnipresent? Does the text state that? It just says that the restrainer is restraining the man of lawlessness. That would mean, by your way of thinking, that the man of lawlessness is also omnipiresent, if he NEEDS that to restrain him. In Rev 20 it only takes an angel...

So....let me get this straight...or, more accurately, try and push aside some layers and get to the real point of this "Jesus didn't die for our sins; don't worship Jesus" thing. If you don't think we should worship Jesus...that us doing so is the equivilent to the whole Nehushtan snake...

While it is true that this verse says that the Day of the Lord will not come until the Man of Lawlessness is revealed, it does not specifiy that the Holy Spirit is the restrainer. Nor does it state that it is, specifically, the Holy Spirit within the Church, which must be removed. This...

Someone said, "Jesus did not die for our sins..." Then later in the same post said, "I did not say Jesus did not die for our sins". And when I called him on it, he said, "There's a difference between "dying FOR our sins, and BECAUSE of our sins" Because it's not like "for" and "because" aren't...

So...let me get this straight. You believe the flood was literal. You believe Peter when he says judgement and destruction is coming. But it's too much of a stretch to believe said judgement is going to be fire...despite the fact that Peter says it outright a few verses later? And, it's not...

Knit-picking. Of course he died because of my sins. Every single one of my sins held him pinned there to that cross. And that's something that every single Christian should acknowledge and feel. That's why we love him so much. But to say that that is fundamentally different to "dying for my...

I have often summed up my views in shortened form elsewhere on this forum. I was asked, specifically, about what Amillennialists believe, with a focus on "how and why" they understood what they did. That is why I posted the length I did, with the amount of verses attached, plotting it out as I...

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that symbolism uses images to portray spiritual realities? These things are still very real, in a way. They are just not literal. I think we must be careful when saying they are not showing "realities", because, well...they are. The Matt 13:43 verse is a good...

I understand the Dispensationalists also see the different churches in Revelation as the different church periods throughout history. However...I'm not sure there is much biblical evidence that gives us leave to do so. We know that there we 7 physical Churches that these letters were sent to in...

This. Right here. This is the reason I cannot have conversations with you. Forget that half the time I struggle to read your sentences. Or even follow your train of thought. You seem to dabble in trolling, with a large side of 'back-stepping'. You loudly proclaim something, but then a post later...

I wonder if that would also fit with the passages in Revelation that have the angels calling for the birds to come and feast on the wicked?

I actually got something from your post as well. I'd never heard your take on it, so did some digging on the words (I had seen the translations of eagle and body before), and was surprised to notice that in the Luke version that, in particular, the word used for "body" is at times used for the...

Ok...so...here's the thing. And, basically, it's the same "thing" I have with Dispensationalism, or even historical Pre-millennialism, and why I've ended up where I am.... Is everything you've just lain out possible? I suppose. With God everything is, and if it is his ultimate plan to do to all...

Hi, HIH. I have to ask about this, for two reasons. First... While it is true that in Luke 17:37 the words used can be translated as "eagle" and "body", which could also, possibly be interpreted as "body of Christ", when we look at corresponding verses, in Matt 24:28, for example, the more...