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  1. Naomi25

    I'd like to have a calm, rational conversation about End Times...anyone?

    Hi eldios. Trying not to be too rude, but that wasn't very helpful. Are you saying you are the only one to have understood, and can therefore tell that no other Christian has truly understood? Because if that's true, being the 'only one' who knows, and then saying nothing to help others...
  2. Naomi25

    I'd like to have a calm, rational conversation about End Times...anyone?

    Um. I think you may have misread my answer in regards to this point. Nowhere do I take this literally, or wish to count the number of hills or cows. And now I'm a little afraid to get into how I see numbers in Revelation in case you mistaken that as well! However, I agree that time has no...
  3. Naomi25

    No scripture contradicts rapture teaching

    Oh, for goodness... You didn't hear a single thing I said. Let me try and break it down into smaller bits: You find Jupiter and Virgo in the stars on that date, nothing more. Anything else is conjecture on your part. As I said....we are not supposed to look at the stars. :rolleyes: God...
  4. Naomi25

    The Godhead, Diversified Oneness

    Hi 101. Can I ask: if you are correct, why would God do this? Why would a single God feel the need to reveal himself to his people in three separate forms? Why would he possibly want or gain from that? Wouldn't it cause (as it has, should it be true) massive confusion? I believe there are...
  5. Naomi25

    I'd like to have a calm, rational conversation about End Times...anyone?

    Hi Dcopymope, thanks for your reply! I think, in the passage talking about the cattle on a 1000 hills...well, the literal interpretation is that God is saying that he owns everything. Everywhere. Because he does, doesn't he. My concern is that it seems that 'literalists' seem to follow the rule...
  6. Naomi25

    End of Days

    Who are they supposed to be a nightmare for, may I ask? Thanks.
  7. Naomi25

    No scripture contradicts rapture teaching

    You can't find it IN the stars because God doesn't call his children into astrology! The sign is not IN the stars. You know how you love to talk about 'idioms'? Just take a step back for a moment and consider the possibility that God is using the language of 'heavens, sun, moon, stars' to signal...
  8. Naomi25

    End of Days

    So, you were a date setter, and you got it wrong? But this time you're right, is that right? You should talk to Heb 13:8...they're a date setter as well....
  9. Naomi25

    I'd like to have a calm, rational conversation about End Times...anyone?

    Thanks 101...I'll keep an eye out for your thread!
  10. Naomi25

    No scripture contradicts rapture teaching

    Well, I'd say that before turning to astrology I'd turn to my bible and see if God's word gives me any sort of clue how I should interpret such language. And I think it does, easily and in a much more straight forward manner than I believe you're trying to put onto the passage. It's late, so I...
  11. Naomi25

    I'd like to have a calm, rational conversation about End Times...anyone?

    101, I appreciate that you are attempting you protect your beliefs, but perhaps you should start your own thread? I disagree with you doctrine, but I don't really want to get into it here, thanks.
  12. Naomi25

    No scripture contradicts rapture teaching

    Ah, no. According to the definition of words, what you are doing is astrology. And unless you want to redefine the oxford dictionary while your muddling your scriptures...well, then....
  13. Naomi25

    I'd like to have a calm, rational conversation about End Times...anyone?

    Hi 101. So...if I'm reading you correctly, you don't actually hold to the teaching of the Trinity? You don't see that Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit are separate persons within the Godhead, but one and the same? Do you see The Spirit as the Father as well? I suppose you would, one God, 3...
  14. Naomi25

    No scripture contradicts rapture teaching

    Because we've been over all that before and have clearly reached an impasse ("it's an idiom"... "no it's not") and the clear words of scripture don't seem to matter, I thought perhaps I might look to a different point. So...what you're doing is okay, because it's astronomy, not astrology? I...
  15. Naomi25

    I'd like to have a calm, rational conversation about End Times...anyone?

    Yes, Stranger, this is the problem, I agree. The problem is, just seeing the problem, doesn't really navigate me out of it! Because, while I might look at Ezekiel 38 and go "the rest of the book was fulfilled literally, so this chapter demands that as well. And it clearly says 'in the latter...
  16. Naomi25

    I'd like to have a calm, rational conversation about End Times...anyone?

    Hi 101! Can I ask, quickly...you say you're a Dispensationalist, but then you say you believe in just 3 dispensations. I thought they believed in many more than that. Does that mean your opinion differs to theirs? It sounds like your 3 dispensations almost fit into covenant theology. You have...
  17. Naomi25

    No scripture contradicts rapture teaching

    We are commanded to "stay" awake, not to 'wake up'. There is a difference, a big difference, and if you are getting the two mixed up, then that could be the basis of your problem. Or it could be a sign of how you get scripture so wrong.... Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day...
  18. Naomi25

    I'd like to have a calm, rational conversation about End Times...anyone?

    Hi guys! So, I've been doing a bit of reading the last week or so...it's all very interesting. So...I was wondering if anyone could give me a bit of an idea of the prophecies they think are left to be fulfilled either before Christ returns, or by his second coming. I think I read somewhere that...
  19. Naomi25

    No scripture contradicts rapture teaching

    This appears, to me, to be the main problem right here. You're missing the point. We are not supposed to "find better calculations". We are not supposed to calculate Christ's return. We are just to live as he's called us, continue in the Great Commission, and live each day looking up. That's...
  20. Naomi25

    I'd like to have a calm, rational conversation about End Times...anyone?

    Hi Stranger! It seems to me that a lot of your answers rest on the fact that the time period in question have to be the millennium, rather than heaven. But that only works if you can prove that there will be a millennial period on earth, which I still question! I still can only see references to...