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  1. Naomi25

    9/23/17, Rev 12:5, X etc..

    Ok. I'm finding it difficult to deal with you numerous separate posts. But this one here seems to be the gist of the disagreement. You think the bible teaches Christ will not 'return physically' because he is within us spiritually. Which, of course, I'm not arguing, but I'm asking if that's all...
  2. Naomi25

    9/23/17, Rev 12:5, X etc..

    Well, the context of the verse is: [34] “Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble. - Matthew 6:34 And we're back to 'worrying' being different from 'thinking on' or 'thinking about.' What...at some point in...
  3. Naomi25

    9/23/17, Rev 12:5, X etc..

    Not really sure what you're saying here, or the point you're trying to make, sorry. Are you, perhaps, saying that despite Christ taking ALL our sins upon himself, so that we are faultless in God's eyes, we are still expected to live in "that which we made"...because, reap what you sow? If that...
  4. Naomi25

    9/23/17, Rev 12:5, X etc..

    Firstly, I'd say that the bible does not "tell us not to dwell on tomorrow at all"....it tells us not to worry about tomorrow. Big difference. But if we look at all the other things scripture encourages us to do, and I'm not just talking about the Lord's return here, then we see the 'dwelling'...
  5. Naomi25

    9/23/17, Rev 12:5, X etc..

    Yeah...I'm getting the feeling you're a person who thinks Jesus is not actually returning at all. Am I right? Christ in me, so that's all I need? Which would be swell, except that's not all that Christ promised us. Ok. I don't really want to get into it, because...well. I just don't have the...
  6. Naomi25

    My 9/24/17 response

    Sorry, just to clarify...are you suggesting that the rapture is 'individual' and not all at once? I mean, I suppose to everyone who dies before Christ's coming, in a way it is, but if we finish reading verse 23 of the above, it says: [23] But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then...
  7. Naomi25

    My 9/24/17 response

    Hi Heb 13:8. I just wanted to reply to your post because I thought it's very brave of you to post it. I know a lot of people would have probably cut and run after a prediction date like that failed. So...respect. I do heartily disagree with your date-setting, but I think we can agree to...
  8. Naomi25

    9/23/17, Rev 12:5, X etc..

    I know that many people believe it refers to the feast of trumpets. I believe it's because the feast cannot be officially declared until the new moon is spotted in the sky, and since it may be cloudy, it could therefore fall within a two day period, leaving them to say the the festival is one in...
  9. Naomi25

    9/23/17, Rev 12:5, X etc..

    There are a few reasons why I have a very big problem with 'date setters'. And none of them is how 'eagerly' they are anticipating going to be with the Lord. Honestly, I don't understand Christians who do not earnestly wish for that day. The problems come from the disrespect they do to the...
  10. Naomi25

    9/23/17, Rev 12:5, X etc..

    Ahem....we're still here! I did ask you once what you would do or say if you were proven wrong. You were so sure you answered the above. Was God wrong, perhaps? Honestly, let blame lie were it ought. You guessed a date, as the bible commanded you not to, and you were proven (as all date setters...
  11. Naomi25

    End of Days

    Who is attacking the book of Daniel and the Bible?
  12. Naomi25

    I'd like to have a calm, rational conversation about End Times...anyone?

    If 99% of the 'believers' you know have never opened a bible, then they are not Christians, and neither are you. God has chosen to reveal himself to us through his own word. I'm not sure which 'voice' you are listening to, but if it is telling you you don't need scripture, then it is not the...
  13. Naomi25

    I'd like to have a calm, rational conversation about End Times...anyone?

    Mmmhmmm. You know, if the bible is as powerless as you say, then it's really worthless. And that's just not true. While it may just be, in appearance, words on a page, those words contain the truth of God. Any liar reading it can, if God so chooses, have his or her lying heart changed. God uses...
  14. Naomi25

    I'd like to have a calm, rational conversation about End Times...anyone?

    You know, I started this thread with the hope we could talk about all this with openness and a lack of snarkiness, and yet I detect a distinct whiff of snark. No, I do not intend of 'pulling' every passage with the number 1000 in it to prove my point...clearly you missed my point anyway. My...
  15. Naomi25

    The Godhead, Diversified Oneness

    Look, I don't mean to be rude, but I don't understand what your saying. I can't see how Heb 7:27 comes into, or how that can possibly fit into your idea about anthropomorphism. You say 'spirit' and 'his arm' etc...but yes...that's what scripture says...because it's talking about 'The Spirit' or...
  16. Naomi25

    No scripture contradicts rapture teaching

    I know we're not supposed to put a really short, one character answer...I'm not sure why, maybe it's considered trolling or something....so consider this sentence a fore-runner to me just saying: :rolleyes: Whatever. We'll see what we see come September.
  17. Naomi25

    End of Days

    Seriously? A grammar lesson? Gee, thanks. That goes a long way. Yeah. I have absolutely no idea what you're going on about.
  18. Naomi25

    No scripture contradicts rapture teaching

    Well is it symbolic or literal? Make up your mind!! Well it doesn't say that a planet is literally gonna pop out a kid! There are a lot of symbolic references in the passage, but you are so dead bent on having it play out in the darn stars, that you ignore everything else to focus on the...
  19. Naomi25

    The Godhead, Diversified Oneness

    Hi 101. I agree that we must be open to learn. I think that going into something bullheadedly believing in it's truth just because we were raised believing something can be foolish. But having said that...just because I was raised believing in the Trinity, does not mean that my belief in it is...
  20. Naomi25

    No scripture contradicts rapture teaching

    Okay, this is getting far to long-winded. So...here is where I'll hitch my wagon for the moment. 'Literally at her feet'. Except it's a planet, and it's not a 'she' and it doesn't have feet. 'Literally clothed with the sun'. Except it's a planet, so it's not wearing garments, and the sun...