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  1. Naomi25

    Protestant Leaders and the pope

    Well, to be honest I wasn't quite sure at the point you were trying to make through any of it, especially this last part: "You Know that the Catholic's have a Pope!!! and all Protestant's have a Pope behind every Pulpit!!!? sorry but they do have a Authoritative control, and we are not to...
  2. Naomi25

    Two particular problems with dispensationalism...

    Okay, I see your point about the issue about the 'wrath' point not disproving the 7 year Tribulation. And you're right...they don't rely on it alone to prove of those years happening. But I think why they focus on the verses that say Christians aren't destined for wrath, is because they are...
  3. Naomi25

    Protestant Leaders and the pope

    Hi Truth. I'm sorry, but I don't quite catch your meaning here...could you clarify a bit? Thanks!
  4. Naomi25

    Two particular problems with dispensationalism...

    Hi Stranger. Yes, I agree that too often people are out to fish. Even on Christian boards. It's sad. Let's see...who have I been listening to...my funds are a little tight, so I mostly search out free stuff. I've been listening to Mark Hitchcock, Thomas Ice...some Jack Hibbs. Some Amir...
  5. Naomi25

    Protestant Leaders and the pope

    I apologize, but how am I supposed to categorize your behaviour? The definition of "hate" is: "feel intense dislike for". If you put all Catholics in bed with the Nazi's, then I must assume you feel intense dislike for them. What else would I call it? You, no doubt would call it nothing but the...
  6. Naomi25

    Protestant Leaders and the pope

    With regards to the OP...I'm not Catholic, and I happily confess I'm not well read on any of these matters. But there does seem to be an up-take in news reports of the Pope encouraging inter-faith co-operation. Now...I'm fully aware that one can hardly trust the media these days, but it does...
  7. Naomi25

    Anti Abortion is a No - no.

    In some States here in Australia, it's illegal to protest abortion outside abortion centers. I think you can't do it within a few blocks. And by "protest", I mean stand there quietly with some flyers and try to engage in conversation about alternatives with the people going in. And the liberals...
  8. Naomi25

    Two particular problems with dispensationalism...

    Okay, fair point. But...if it's not important, why does the Bible discuss it? All of scripture is profitable. I could go on, but I think that really is the basic point underneath it all. Christ spoke of it (maybe he didn't know when, but he definitely spoke of it), and his disciples spoke of it...
  9. Naomi25

    Two particular problems with dispensationalism...

    Well....I think I sort of asked a question first. Shouldn't I get a response first? Okay, since our previous conversation seems to be bothering you, I also went back and re-read it. And here's where I am now: I'm a little confused. Because while last time I was staunchly defending the Amil...
  10. Naomi25

    Two particular problems with dispensationalism...

    I'm sorry, but I just don't see it reading this way. Even if you are correct in the right usage of the meaning of πλήρωμα, I still don't think it changes the context of these passages. Let me clarify before going on: I absolutely agree with you on what Paul is trying to say in breaking down that...
  11. Naomi25

    Two particular problems with dispensationalism...

    It's true there is some ambiguity in some scripture, but I'd have to say that by and large most of it is clear, and most of it comes clear by reading other scripture. God would not have given us his word and not made it relatively easy to understand. But yes...it does make me wonder sometimes...
  12. Naomi25

    Two particular problems with dispensationalism...

    Revelation...you've got to love it. No one can agree on how to interpret it, but everyone agrees that God wins! It's funny, actually, I've done a bit of digging over the years, and it was only recently that I discovered that Chapter 19 was considered...by most..."the return of Christ". Shows...
  13. Naomi25

    Two particular problems with dispensationalism...

    Hi Wormwood! I absolutely agree that there is no going back to the old covenant! And really, i'd also agree with your take on the 'how' and 'why' Israel is saved. I just think that the Romans passage added to what we are seeing today suggests that God is lining up to bring a great number of Jews...
  14. Naomi25

    Two particular problems with dispensationalism...

    Hi Wormwood! It's been a strange couple of months for me. I think theologically I would still fall among the Amil camp, but I'm learning that the lines are very much not cut and dried. I suppose that's the point you effectively made in your last paragraph. I think, for me, God has been teaching...
  15. Naomi25

    Two particular problems with dispensationalism...

    Well, I suppose it's important because God thinks it's important. And I suppose it also depends where we are. It could be important 'cause tomorrow you'll meet your Saviour....or maybe you'll live to a ripe old age and meet him in a more natural way. Either way, scripture talks about wrapping...
  16. Naomi25

    Two particular problems with dispensationalism...

    You don't need to be skeptical of my intentions. I wish I could sit back and chuckle gleefully to myself in sure knowledge of what I believe to be absolutely true, and lie in wait to poke holes in others' ideas. It would be somewhat unChristian of me, but it would be more..."comfortable" than...
  17. Naomi25

    Two particular problems with dispensationalism...

    Hi ScottA. I'm afraid I had a little difficulty following your train of thought, sorry! Mostly likely my fault, as I can be, at times, quite dim! I think I see you saying that scripture presents a lot of 'end times' passages in quite an ambiguous way in order to leave it up for interpretation by...
  18. Naomi25

    Two particular problems with dispensationalism...

    Hi 101, thanks for your reply. Yes...I don't really see what happens within the "tribulation" as God's wrath or judgement either. But from what I can ascertain, plenty of Dispensationalist teachers do, because they claim that's one of the reasons we have to be "out of here" at the beginning of...
  19. Naomi25

    Two particular problems with dispensationalism...

    Hi guys! I'm hoping I might be able to pick the brains of some dispensationalist. I've been doing some reading/watching on end times. I am, I suppose, what you might call an Amil...although I'm not sure I fit neatly into that camp. But the fact that world events are lining up as they are has...
  20. Naomi25

    9/23/17, Rev 12:5, X etc..

    How is believing Jesus could return "at any moment" not applicable for today? The whole idea behind Christ's demand to "stay awake" is to be constantly prepared for his second coming. That means living like we will, for all intents and purposes, see him momentarily. That means embracing all he...