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This question doesn't make a lot of sense if you attend the majority of Christian churches which don't believe in "the Rapture" but have other views of end time events. That doesn't mean any church is just a "social club", or that they don't believe in Christ, or aren't very dedicated to Him.

@Marymog , it appears that you and I are interested in very different types of conversations/goals. I wish you well on your walk with God.

(brief response here, cause I got to get to bed) Mary, I apologize if the reason I had held off answering wasn't clear. My bad in that regard, I shall try to be very forward here. I do indeed want respectful discussion, but I was given the strong impression you want to have a...

You're giving 18-21 year olds a lot more organizational credit than should be.

Approach matters. I respect your view, even though I disagree with it. I am in no way trying to change your view or rub "you're wrong" in your face. You immediately wen to try to change my view and prove me "wrong". Even literally used the "I was pointing out how your theory is wrong" line...

That is true. But when the ear wax is person literally advocating that the words of man are more important that God, I got a mega problem with it. Normal obstence... heh, that's just humans being humans.

Agreed. I've had enough of this.

I respectfully state my opinion and respectfully acknowledge yours. You then inform me that mine is wrong and your right. That's HUGE difference. Any respect you might have is not remotely conveying here. Rather, I'm feeling very attacked and overlooked. Defense is needed against an attack...

Defending from a nonexistent attack.... Defending from someone who actually respects a lot about Catholicism, studied it thoroughly, attended many different events, and is happy to respectfully talk about things with you. ....

Unnecessarily. And then end result of such "defense" is never good. I peacefully and respectfully said that I disagreed. Never did I attack you or your beliefs. I actually admire a lot about Catholicism, even if I don't believe it's ultimately Christ's Church. If you want I'm happy to share...

Except if someone studies God's Words and communes with God, but doesn't agree with one of your preferred "commentaries" you call person "incomplete", "not knowing the Bible", "cults", etc. That's placing sinners in a throne wherein only God should sit. *Sigh* I don't like putting people on...

We're on page 22 of a thread wherein your posts keep testifying the exact opposite of that: you placing manmade documents higher than Gods Words.

Reiterating: I want NO part of "defending" of any faith.

1) use God's Words 2) pray to the Holy Spirit that He guide me and may witness to them 3) do my best to be a good disciple of Christ 4) use my eyes and ears to see & hear the person I'm talking to, and make it clear that I do see/hear/love them. Never in here do I substitute God's Words for...

Apart from scripture? Or apart from manmade documents? The first one is everything. The second... not so much.

OK, I got to address this point first and foremost before we go any where else. I am not attacking Catholicism. There is no need for you to "defend" Catholicism when A) no one is attacking it and B) truth of things stand perfectly well on it's own without internet posters "defending" it. Such...

Dave, you do realize that you're going around asking everyone "do you accept this manmade document as having the same authority God's Words?" How instead we focus on talking about God's Words? Many people on here do not accept man's words as being of equal authority and that does NOT degrade...

By going to the source of all Truth: God Himself and ask Him. Not by going to sinners, or the recounts of sinners doings (aka history), or pedestaling men's logic, etc. By humbling asking God and listening His answer. In my time studying Catholics, I noticed that many there use history-base...

I'm a lover of interfaith dialogue-- been at this for decades. Needless to say I've ran into more than a few people who are only interested in converting me and not really having interfaith discussions. They exist, and on forums some of them make me us the 'ignore' feature. But not everyone...

Cool. Like I said, honest misconnect. So, let's focus on the church part: how do we determine which church is Christ's True Church? I got zero arguments with this. Now that's several leaps. There are multiple lines of claimed Apostolic Succession -- which/how do you pick from them...