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Sure, we love him because he first loved us- but he loves all people and that's what you are not getting. In your system he loves some and hates others for no discernable reason.

You complicate the simple. Jesus chose Paul for a job because he knew Paul was the right man for that job. He knew that Paul would convert, but Paul still had the choice. That's not what unconditional election is. UE is choosing people for salvation (not for a certain job and bypassing others...

Only Jesus wasn't saying that at all. 3:13. In this context, the point of verse 13 is that no one has ever gone into heaven and then come back to earth with the ability to give clear teaching about divine matters. The one exception is Jesus who is the Son of Man (Dan. 7:13; Matt. 26:64). He is...

God controls all things? Really? Does God control all of men's evil actions and thoughts? If I control someone, thier actions are actually my actions. If God meticulously controls everything, then he is the only sinner, and we are merely puppets whose strings he pulls. If I control my computer...

Of course I don't take man s will to be equal with God's will. God gives men a bit of dominion while he has ultimate dominion.

Where else did he go? And where did Enoch go? I was joking about him being a rock star of course.

Disjointed speculation and patching random verses together is not biblical interpretation.

Of course. We don't have infinite choices. We exist within the limits God created for men. I can't flap my arms and will myself to fly. But with enough self motivation I could create a flying machine. But when you affirm unconditional election, you erase the most important choice of all, that...

I never denied God's sovereignty. Being in charge doesn't equal complete control.

Lol, that has to be the most wild and reckless biblical interpretation ever. If Elijah went up just for a ride, where did he land? Heb. 11:5 By faith Enoch was taken up so that he would not see death; and he was not found because God took him up; for he obtained the witness that before his...

I worship with all kinds of people, dressed in any thing from suits to ripped jeans. It's not an issue. In churches where it is an issue, there tends to be a great deal of judgement about how one chooses to dress. I'm very over that these days.

Of course there was. The tree in the garden was the first test.

Why would you oppose the notion that firming Pharaoh's resolve helped God to do what he planned? How does that diminish God?

Perhaps you could be clear. Does God cause all of man's actions? Does God meticulously control each human being? You seem very vague in your statements.

Certainly. The Word confirms that we have these choices for the reason of strengthening us. Of course, we can also allow them to weaken us. James 1:12 Blessed [is] the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them...

Again, you are adding your deterministic philosophy to scripture. God did not cause pharaoh to be who he was. You can have any theological bent from open theism to determinism and still affirm that God raised up pharaoh. Why choose pagan fatalism?

No, I was being specific to the question. God was showing the Egyptians who the true God was, since they worshiped false gods. Firming Pharaoh's resolve helped him accomplish that purpose.

Your fatalism is showing. You can't affirm God causing all of a man's actions and affirm free will at the same time. Well, you can, but not logically. You are embracing a contradiction, if that's what you are trying to say.

I'm glad I'm upwind of you. lol.

Because this world is a land of trial, it's not yet heaven. God created this trial in fairness, not slanting the odds deliberately in his favor. If I secretly rig the game, so I would win, would that not make me a cheater? God cannot do such as would be contrary to his character.