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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    So, just curious, what theory of atonement you are promoting? What did the cross accomplish? I find the penal substitution theory to be lacking in completeness, but not totally without truth. I don't know what is hard to understand about a payment that requires an action on the individuals part...
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    Election in the Old Testament is predominantly applied corporately to a people, not to individuals. The Hebrew word for "elect" (bahir) is normally used in the plural, and thus refers collectively of Israel. Here's a definition from soteriology 101: 5) Election to salvation in Christ is...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    God's knowledge does not cause anyone to go to hell. Thier choice causes that. We have been endowed with freewill. Within limits, we create our own reality.
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    Do you understand what corporate election is?
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    " knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot." 1st Peter 1:18... Sure sounds like a payment to me.
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    “Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.’ 5 “But they paid no attention and went off—one to his field, another to his...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Now you are sounding all arminian. Can you choose to have faith or not?
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Again, you fail to understand that if someone is irresistibly destined for salvation, it follows that others are irresistibly destined to sin. And yes, the true Christian is destined to be conformed to Christ's image, but not irresistibly. Ever meet a perfect Christian? Me neither. But back to...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Because that would be honest and consistent. Instead, you are trying to have your cake and eat it too, by ignoring the implications of your beliefs.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Don't you read the rest of your Bible and understand we are all sons of the wicked one unless we repent? "So, no deterministic reading you have in your mind to worry about." But, that's exactly what you are doing. You are imposing your belief that one is born destined for either heaven or hell...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    No, he was also fully God. He didn't just do what any man can do. He raised the dead, walked on water, and gave sight to blind men. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make there.
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    None of this has anything to do with whether we can choose to believe or not. Or whether God extends grace to all. You seem to want to ignore the fact that God picked Noah because he was a just man, but again, you say a lot but don't address the issue. Renniks: Does this not indicate that we...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    No, he has it exactly right. God is good toward all who accept his goodness and he judges those who don't.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    There are two kinds of hardening taught in scripture. Self-hardening: This is where a morally accountable person, who is able to refrain or not refrain from given moral actions, grows stubborn or calloused in his own ways. Hardened by God: This is God’s active role in blinding an already...
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    Is this going to be the mark of the beast?

    By parables, I mean he was given figurative language, metaphorical pictures, showing what would happen instead of spelling it out. And most of it happened within the near future.
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    Yes, the devil sows bad seeds and Jesus sows good seeds. You would of course, impose a deterministic reading on God's Holy Word and decide for yourself that a tare cannot become wheat or wheat become a tare. But the parable itself places the blame on the tares, those who practice lawlessness...
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    Lol, first I would like to point out how ironic it is that you quoted this verse. Do you have ears? Does everyone have ears? Why is Jesus telling people to listen if some are born destined for hell anyway? Does it matter if those hear if they cannot respond, because God has created them unable...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    " See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. 16 For I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in obedience to him, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will live and increase, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land you are...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    He gives them what they want, which is separation from him. That is good, really...it's justice. It might not seem good from our perspective, but it truly is.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    To understand what is meant, we have to start at the beginning The hardening of the unbelieving part of ethnic Israel has been resulting in Gentiles coming to faith in Christ (verse 11), and Paul has already stated his hope that the inclusion of these Gentiles will result in at least some of his...