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  1. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    How can the last seven be future if Jesus died DURING the last seven?
  2. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    If Jesuit Futurism, which more or less teaches Michael the Archangel was the Restrainer, is true, surely Paul would not have been so secretive and reluctant to announce this encouraging news to the suffering early church in his letter, right? "Hey Thessalonians, you might be going through it...
  3. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Your 70th week graphic failed to include the "cut off" of the Messiah. How do we know it happened during the 70th week? Because Daniel says that there would be an initial 7 weeks to pass of rebuilding the street and walls and then an additional 62 weeks of the next verse: "after 62 weeks...
  4. Phoneman777

    Rev 13:3 The riddle: How is a part the whole? How can the wound be apparent, but the healing real?

    Interesting that you wrote "the beast rises up mid week". Where is that in the Bible?
  5. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    Hi, ATP, regarding the Unmerciful Servant, I agree that the parable of the Unmerciful Steward requires interpretation: we obviously don't literally believe that Jesus was referring to a literal king, steward, or the other elements of the parable. But, when interpreting the parable, your OSAS...
  6. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    ATP, you completely dodged the point regarding "abiding" that God does not do that for us, but that we do that ourselves. Don't you see that we must choose to abide continually in Jesus in order to partake of His salvation? Do you really think that those who cease to abide in Him will not suffer...
  7. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    I think you'll agree that just as we cannot depend on yesterday's breaths to sustain our oxygen requirements today, so it is that an apostate cannot depend upon yesterday's sincere altar call to sustain the salvation that comes only by a day to day, moment by moment surrender to Jesus.
  8. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Amazing how theologians of today claim that the "holy spirit filled church" or some other agent of holiness is the Restrainer, although those who lived closest to Paul's day, the Early Church Fathers, didn't give even one intimation that they believed Paul was speaking of such things - but that...
  9. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    "If you love Me, keep My commandments." OSAS people who claim that they may freely sin without any impact on the status of their salvation obviously do not love Jesus.
  10. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    Matthew 24:12 KJV: the "many" who were once saints but they allowed iniquity to turn their agape cold and dead. Of course, you will argue that the Holy Spirit yet dwells in these "agape-less" apostates, but that is to be expected. Zealots and hacks are wholly incapable of accepting the failure...
  11. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    Once again, the issue is not God's unconditional love which compelled Him to give His only begotten Son, but His wholly conditional salvation, which can only be obtained by us through a faithful continuous surrendered relationship with Jesus, and your idea that we can be simultaneously...
  12. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    What false prophet has led you to believe that "cold, dead agape" is "living agape"??? Nonsense. It's like believing a cold body that has assumed room temperature is still alive. And "quenching the Spirit" has the same effect as "quenching your thirst" and so it is that in the case of the...
  13. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    Invented? No, sir, I've EXPOSED OSAS for what it is: a crutch for pathetic "Christians" who want to withhold a portion of their heart from Jesus so that Satan may take up residence there whenever the need to indulge a little of what made necessary the death of our Lord arises. The Bible warns...
  14. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    Fair enough, don't use it - I WILL because that's exactly how OSAS characterizes my God. Jaycee Lee Dugard would fully agree with me. She was kidnapped and sexually assaulted by some love struck crazed lunatic for 18 years against her will. What a pathetic counterfeit for the true relationship...
  15. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    Sorry, but I can't accept your false premise that salvation is something other than what the Bible says it is: an ongoing experience that can be ended by our choice at any time we wish. "Being saved" not "saved', ATP. That's what the Greek actually says: "Being saved".
  16. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    ATP, it is YOU who mix lies with truth. YOU are the one who claims God will force us into a relationship with Him against our will, which is no where found in Scripture. What IS found in Scripture is the command that we are to "abide in the Vine", which you and the rest of your OSAS believers...
  17. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    Well, how else would you describe a rapist? Is he not one who forces himself upon others against their will? That is exactly how OSAS characterizes God: One Who will force Himself upon those who no longer wish to have anything to do with Him or His authority over their lives. My God is a...
  18. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    Assurance is at the crux of the issue. Protestants who refuse to give up sin need something to assure them that they are heaven bound, seeing that the Bible condemns such, so OSAS fills the bill. Praise God He gives victory over sin to anyone who makes up their mind to take hold of it, but OSAS...
  19. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    No, you don't understand that the "many" were once saints because they possessed agape, but are now ex-saints because their agape became cold and dead, and there ain't a one of us that is getting through the Pearly Gates unless we possess agape. God is not some cosmic rapist that will force...
  20. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    What an unBiblical conclusion which denies the Greek construction of the New Testament. We are "being saved", which is future perfect tense referring to an ongoing process, not "saved already" which denies the Bible. I'd believe you if Jesus said, "Abiding in the Vine is not necessary, just as...