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No, you are wrong. The Greek construction of the texts actually means "being saved", not "saved". However, in order to keep the churches full of lost sinners who fill the collection plates, church leaders conveniently obscure this truth, because to preach that the unavoidable consequence of...

"Many are called but few are chosen" somehow disqualifies the "many" as former saints? The Biblical evidence is that the "many" were in fact chosen. Why? Because the Biblical definition of a "chosen, grace-saved. washed-in-the-blood, SAINT" is one who has: agape for God agape for man and agape...

Wrong. You and I are "being saved" as long as we are abiding in the Vine. Step outside of the Vine and you are cut off from "being saved". Remain outside the Vine and you will be eternally lost. Come back to the Vine and you will once again resume "being saved".

No, you are refusing the context of the verse because of the unavoidable conclusion that must be drawn from it. And, no, I don't believe we are saved by any other means than grace through faith, but you fail to understand that we are "being saved" which is far different than the OSAS "saved...

No, it is you who is dragging this thread out b/c of your refusal to admit that OSAS does NOT stand the test of Matthew 24:12 KJV because the "many" are LOST. Only a fool will insist on arguing that anyone other than the saints are heaven bound. Those "many" are NOT saints, but "ex-saints" b/c...

Your idea of what "saved" means is at the heart of the problem. You and your fellow OSAS believers have failed to understand that the original Greek actually speaks of salvation as a "future perfect tense" salvation which is completely opposite to what you and the rest of the ignorant Christian...

More promises claimed only by the Vine's true branches which you insist also apply to the unfaithful branches which separate themselves from Him. The Unmerciful Servant found out OSAS is bogus and the "many" of Matthew 24:12 KJV who lost their agape and are now ex-saints incapable of keeping the...

There is no OSAS. You either "abide in the Vine" or you will be a branch cast forth into the fire and burned up, plain and simple. OSAS says a branch can leave the Vine, go hang out at the HollyTree until some sorcerer comes along and cuts him down and carves him into a "magic wand" (hence the...

Only if you believe God had anything to do with the current occupation of an area of land that is a fraction of what He originally gave to the Israelites He delivered from Egypt, but since He had nothing to do with it, then He is not guilty of what you claim He is: a cosmic rapist that forces...

More promise verses that apply to the saints which you insist apply to ex-saints. Tsk tsk, ATP. You refuse to accept that the "many" of verse 12 are not going to heaven because they have no apape anymore, and likely due to your own sinful habits that you refuse to give up, so instead of taking...

You'll be fine as long as you don't turn your back on God and walk away from Him, like the "many" of Matthew 24:12 KJV

No, you haven't offered a single Scripture to refute Jesus' words of Matthew 24:12-13 KJV that the "many" are ex-saints who no longer possess agape for God, for others, and agape perfected in them. You've done nothing but post promises to the saints and insist that they are for ex-saints as...

I'll respond to the only portion of your reply that has to do with this thread. Your insistence that verse 13 "he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved" refers only to the saints who escaped the sword of Rome in 70 AD is irrelevant, because the fact remains that the previous...

I'd be happy to explain why your analysis of James 2 is completely off base, but not here. The purpose of this thread is to examine whether OSAS stands the test of the Scriptural scrutiny of Matthew 24:12-13 KJV. So far, none of you pro-OSAS have been able to offer any explanation as to how...

No, bro, the Bible defines "dead faith" as "faith without works": "Therefore, as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." (James 2:26 KJV) That is why OSAS, which preaches "faith alone" salvation, is "dead faith" and is a false doctrine because it claims dead...

It is you along with your OSAS faith that teaches a man may obtain by dead faith that which can be obtained only by living faith: Eternal Life. Your hope is that the "many" who had their agape turn cold and dead and are unable to keep the Two Great Commandments of love will still go to heaven...

What riddle? The issue is as plain as the nose on your face. Ex-saints are not going to heaven.

No, you are confusing "saints" with "non-saints" which do not partake of the things of God, INCLUDING His promises.

A person who allows iniquity to grow their agape cold and dead is no longer a believing saint, ATP, and therefore no longer receives all these promises that you keep referring to that belong to surrendered saints who possess agape for God, for others, and have agape perfected in them. Do you...

I'm not sure what this post has to do with Matthew 24:12 KJV which teaches that the "many" cease to possess the Biblical characteristics of saints: agape for God agape for others agape perfected in them. OSAS insists that these ex-saints who no longer possess these characteristics and are...