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  1. rebuilder 454

    Before the flood is actually "after"

    ...and once you see that the 4 horsemen kick off the great tribulation, your doctrine built on the definition of a word will be corrected., as you do not understand the purpose of the great tribulation The 4 horsemen are judgement on the earth released BY HEAVEN. All your trib verses are going...
  2. rebuilder 454

    Before the flood is actually "after"

    If you are a postrib rapture adherent, then Jesus was mistaken when He's placed Noah and Lot as PREJUDGEMENT examples of his coming. We have Noah RETURNING post flood. We have Lot LEAVING Pre judgement. NEITHER of them are postjudgement departures. You have a real problem there You allowed...
  3. rebuilder 454

    Before the flood is actually "after"

    As a pretribber, I am not forbidden from any part of the bible. What I am demonstrating quite successfully is there is a doctrine "postrib rapture, that not only omits the pretrib rapture verses, but strangely changes them unto bizarre narratives. So we are not forbidden from your verses...
  4. rebuilder 454

    Before the flood is actually "after"

    """This whole thing about any kind of "removal" of those in the Lord is silly. The "removal" will be of those who do not find favor with the Lord, who are not recipients of God's mercy, who, in God's coming final Judgment, will be suddenly "swept away" as the victims of the....""" Lol...too...
  5. rebuilder 454

    Before the flood is actually "after"

    I am saying Jesus used Lot alongside Noah as pre judgement examples of the rapture. The gathering of the bride in a setting of commerce, peacetime, normal life, and buying and selling. Only fits a pretrib rapture, while proving a postrib rapture impossible
  6. rebuilder 454

    Before the flood is actually "after"

    You left out the fact that Jesus framed Noah alongside lot as both being PREJUGEMENT gatherings. Vivid, unmistakable pretrib rapture dynamics. Abraham WITH ANGELS removes Lot PREJUDGMENT!!! You do not see the elephant in the room? Lot AUTHENTICATES the Noah dynamic as pre judgement REMOVAL. No...
  7. rebuilder 454

    A small rapture?

    insecure ??? Stop accusing the brethren please
  8. rebuilder 454

    Before the flood is actually "after"

    Your narrative does not fit 1) you leave out that Lot is AlONGSIDE Noah when Jesus declared in both a PREJUGEMENT gathering. 2) in your model, you now have the one taken/left, as only half the wicked are judged. (Remember it is you that says the wicked are all taken away as in the flood) Keep...
  9. rebuilder 454

    The " catching up " rapture must be so very very close!!

    YOU just like looking foolish????? I have 100% destroyed your entire deal in 2 verses that YOU NEED CHANGED, AND ARE ATTEMPTING TO CHANGE THEM. GAME SET MATCH. Pull out any curse you want. My bible says an undeserved curse can not find rest. Like Haman and Israel. Your cursed on the body of...
  10. rebuilder 454

    The " catching up " rapture must be so very very close!!

    Lol You did what all erroneous doctrine does You attempted to void verses instead of reconciling them. News flash....attempting to make verses irrelevant is indeed flirting with rev curse Oh the irony of invoking a curse on me for reporting what is written. You can not and will not honestly...
  11. rebuilder 454

    Before the flood is actually "after"

    preflood Noah is gathered into the ark... Fact Post judgement Noah returns to earth from the heavens...Fact....hmmm exactly like the pretribbers declare Prejudgement Lot is gathered and removed...Fact Your model says that God removes postjudgement. Your model is exactly backwards from Jesus's...
  12. rebuilder 454

    Before the flood is actually "after"

    ...an attempt to water down, "before the flood" Lol Nice try. Now REFRAME Lot . JESUS USED Noah AND LOT as PREJUGEMENT dynamics depicting the rapture as pretrib You may want it to read different, but you must change the bible. I Post what the bible says. It is up to doctrine followers to change it.
  13. rebuilder 454

    How Did the False Pre-trib Rapture Get Started?

    you are completely out of gas. Either addresses rev 14:14, and mat 24:38 or. Just keep showing us you can not. You basically are not showing up. Then call those challenging your error names. You are , at this point ,playing games...
  14. rebuilder 454

    Apostle Paul Showed The Rapture Happens With The Future Resurrection

    Lol. You just affirmed Jesus does not do any GATHERING postrib....uh..hello..angels gather from heaven. We ALL AGREE HE returns postrib and angels gather from heaven as you keep futilely repeating. Psssst...that aint the rapture as you keep verifying. That you for actually promoting a pretrib...
  15. rebuilder 454

    Apostle Paul Showed The Rapture Happens With The Future Resurrection

    Lol Omitting still???? You were shown rev14:14 , what, 20 times? Mat 24:38 30 times???? At this point can anyone take you seriously. That hope you place in omission only works in postribber change the bible circles.
  16. rebuilder 454

    The " catching up " rapture must be so very very close!!

    Mat 24:38 He SAID his coming is before the flood. Pretrib Rev 14:14 he gathers DURING THE TRIB sitting on a cloud with a sickle in his hand. That COMPLETELY REMOVES any hope of a postrib rapture But I suppose one could change 1 Thes 4 to " the dead in Christ DO NOT Resurrect first", since...
  17. rebuilder 454

    The " catching up " rapture must be so very very close!!

    Take it up with Jesus. It is He gathering during the trib in rev 14:14 It is He that said his coming is BEFORE THE FLOOD. But, no, you are comfortable pretending those verses are not there. You don't address them because they ruin your doctrine. There is no hope , outside of omission, for your...
  18. rebuilder 454

    The " catching up " rapture must be so very very close!!

    The forbidden verses Rev 14:14 Mat 24:38 Game Set Match Lol
  19. rebuilder 454

    The " catching up " rapture must be so very very close!!

    "...mans false pretrib rapture theory" All those postribbers into error via omission have the same belief that they are right. It is their belief. It IS a huge huge investment in error. My verses blow postrib rapture outta the water. It would be a huge blow to them if they ever read them. Maybe...
  20. rebuilder 454

    The " catching up " rapture must be so very very close!!

    Lol You just proved my point, via omission. You prove with every post you are forbidden those verses. Rev14 Mat 24:38 Rev 19 Destroy your deal That is why those verses are forbidden to you I showed you in your verse that Jesus does not do ANY gathering postrib.. I addressed your verse and...