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and yet romans 11 says there are 2 groups of people on earth. We all know there is one new man in Christ. Nobody disputes that. Further, the 144k are messianic Jews. ..as paul described himself. Did paul miss it by daring to call himself a Jew???? You guys are so busy batting the air, it escaped...

you come up with concepts that you try to void out other verses. Yes, we can all see that verse. We can all see the Jews and gentiles, plus the carnal Christians that miss the rapture are on earth during the trib, wrath , or whatever you want to call the ushering in of the 4 horsemen released by...

ALL of romans 11 identifies TWO groups. Jews and gentiles. TWO groups. Both GROUPS need Christ. You rock along in partial truth. It is plain as day that in christ there is ONE GROUP. This world has Two INSEPARABLE groups as we are taught in romans. Reconcile that FACT , then proceed from there...

Rapture is before the wrath and judgement of the 4 horsemen heaven releases. Ahem, at the start of the trib as Jesus vividly depicts in noah and lot. In your theory, you have the church raptured post trib with no commerce and no normal life. That would not be biblical. You can never modify...

It is extremely hard to believe the made up bunch of mess that some members have come up with in their own imagination 1) 144,000 does not mean 144,000???? 2) Jews are not ethnic Jews nor are the 144,000 actual Jews ?????...SMH 3) YALL probably spiritualize "virgins" , because none of the...

Nope. They are ethnic Jews sealed against the flying scorpions. Resurrected spirits are not able to be stung. . The patriarchs were not virgins either. Look at all the components you need to change for your modifications of the facts surrounding the 144k. Whew. So glad i am not in that...

Rev 14 is a gathering in that timetable you point to. But the rapture verses are all peacetime normal ,life, and commerce. So that "after trib" rapture theory is not at all plausible. Also the timeframe if Jesus uses noah and Lot which is normal life and commerce. The trib kicks off in massive...

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Oh..ok ..yes. You doctrine has a problem with yhe phrase. "Pretrib" Too bad for that sir. You did all those posts to say that you have a problem with a phrase. Got it.

What do YOU call a Hebrew or israelite. Jesus differentiated. All i can think of is you are trying to void out them as a race. Nothing else makes sense. I suspect you are replacement theory adherent

Where exactly is your dilemma? I see none

The 144k are real live humans walking the earth during the trib. That is their number. You omit the first fruit dynamic every time. Leaving out components would be the lowest ground for investigation.

I am not the one mocking and bringing rabbit trails. I call you guys out with verses It is kinda unique that you are doing a little copy paste of the bible. Yes always crak that bible open. You are getting it. And yes we can all see tribulation Great tribulation A period of tribulation...

Oh i am sure when you see "Israel" you immediately see "gentiles" and "church" Got it

Rev 14 Mat 24 Mat 25. All brought to the table. You declare those declarations in Gods word make no sense. Got it

address what? The word "tribulation"? What about it? We can all see it in the bible. We all see it We all acknowledged it

AHEM, Who woudda thought "Israel" referred to Ethnic Jews??? ....but you need it to do just that huh?

We all can see that your pivot point smoking gun is that there is no such thing as a Jew. Got it. SMH

The delusion of a word being a bogeyman is the foundation and banner of your rabbit trails. Your entire doctrine is a string of one liners. Reframed meanings.

When you notice your doctrines destruction, which is evident by your departure from actually debating the bible,then your observation will be credible.