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They are listed. You can not answer???? Maybe get on the right track? Again ,what tribe are you from? What main harvest follows your gathering since you are firstfruiit and Wink wink Jewish church.

There is some really far fetched stuff in this thread. Thank you Jesus that we have your word we have the word of God we have the Bible and we do not have to be subject these doctrinally expedient silly interpretations

You are correct and wrong at the same time. You need those dynamics as one dimenional. It is like saying concerning Jesus as a lion and a lamb that he is only a lion or he is only a lamb but can't be both. That is what you are doing you are basically saying if you don't see a lion when it says...

you can reframe what is written in romans. Sad to see it. But paul was a jew from the tribe of benjamin. You need it to say something else for your doctrine.

Bible = altar at a specific location You = nope it is not

Maybe it was a submarine. That is what the next silly dynamic will be

Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin. You have no case at all.

early in the trib the martyrs are mow allowed into the general population, no longer confined under the altar. Which points to a pretrib rapture. The innumerable number martyred by the ac and now in heaven, are those left behind. Millions or billions martyred early on in the trib. No believers...

No They were sealed in the gt, or trib or whatever the modern view is. They were SPECIFICALLY sealed against the flying scorpions. You are incorrect in those jumps you made.

Nobody will say in those churches you mention that they are anything but what the bible says.

Name a verse in zac that voids the pretrib rapture verses.

No offence, but we are so far apart, you really should start a thread on those assumptions. That is really bizarre.

well i have not got the memo on the modern lingo of trib vs gt, vs wrath. But yes the second half of the gt is more wrath centered. The entire 7 yrs is great trib. Easily seen by the wrath of the 4 horsemen and a billion murdered ( a number heaven says can not be counted) early on in the first...

Anyone in christ is a christian. We all know Paul saw himself as that. Using Word games is shallow ground, but your entire doctrine uses slippery slopes like word definitions to gain imaginary ground.

What tribe are you from?

Raptured at the second coming on white horses?

None of your teachers/ like minded students, invoke the verses i bring. That is why there is s scramble to VOID The 144k, the 10 virgin parable, reframe lot and noah as NON prewrath dynamics, avoid the setting of peacetime, normal life, and commerce at the rapture, and TOTALLY REFRAME the 144k...

""That's the problem, Rebuilder. That's not a fact at at all. The fact is that God's elect is one group in Christ."" Wow. Even when i spell it out, you repeat what i just laid out and act like you came up with it. SMH YES I TOLD YOU THAT. WE ALL KNOW THAT.

Paul named the two groups. He designated himself as a jew. He designated himself as a christian. Look at your answers to those facts. You can not grasp the two exist. What you are doing is trying to make a multifaceted concept/ truth into one dimension. Lots of concepts in the word are...

Why do you guys go to the low ground with your personal attacks??? What a shame