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Final comment on a subject that will go nowhere: If you are correct, shame on Jesus for not being as righteous as an Angel and correcting Thomas (Like every Angel corrected every person that tried to offer any reverence due God to them) … instead Jesus affirmed his statement of belief!

:Zek: ”Everyone that passes through these doors are a blessing to this place, some when they enter and others when they leave.”

As fine a non sequitur as was ever posted. Scripture still has nothing to do with answering the actual question that the OP asked … but you keep “waiting to talk” instead of “listening”. You are very good at it. :vgood:

There is ZERO scripture on the Celebration of Christmas. So, Scripture is irrelevant to the question of who celebrated Christmas first: Christians or Pagans.

... but NOBODY made that claim. That was my point and the source of confusion. The actual question was: "Christian" or "Pagan" origin?

Posts #21 to #23 was his and my exchange before this. Post #21, while brief, implied it is wrong to celebrate Christmas because it is not in the bible (which suggests that someone claimed that it was). In Post #23, he explicitly states that someone claimed the origin of Christmas was Scriptural.

We better stop meeting in Church Buildings ... you would not BELIEVE where that tradition comes from! Chkl: [AND THERE ARE NO PANTS IN THE BIBLE!!!!!] o_O

Asked and answered. But just to be clear: YES. Now your turn: Are these words ambiguous (κύριός μου καὶ ὁ θεός μου)? (from John 20:28-29)

You jumped in and seemed to imply that anything not in scripture was "bad/wrong/evil" so I pointed out other "Christian" things that are not in scripture. So, to address you HEAD ON: Which post claimed the Christmas Holiday was "scriptural"?

There are also no organs playing “Amazing Grace” in the Bible or Stained Glass Windows … are they of man and to be avoided?

Technically, the Apostle John did that. I just believed them (John and Thomas).

Not completely. Like so much in life, there are no simple answers, so the "facts" will prove whatever goal you set out to prove. Let's start with Scripture: In the OT, there are no records of any celebrations of the anniversary of anyone's birth. "Birthdays" are a concept alien to the Jewish...

You are speaking of the English word, so a good Dictionary can help with the origin of the word: Christmas, from Middle English (AD 1150-1480) Christemasse, from Old English (AD 450-1150) Cristes mæsse (literally, Christ's mass).

FYI: Late December to Early January is the rainy season in Israel, when the hills are lush with green grass and it would be practical for Multiple Shepherds and Multiple Flocks to gather together and remain in one place (as opposed to the arid season when a single shepherd and a single flock...

John 20:28-29 [NKJV] And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed [are] those who have not seen and [yet] have believed." Are these words ambiguous (κύριός μου καὶ ὁ θεός μου)?

Hanlon's razor Mißverständnisse und Trägheit vielleicht mehr Irrungen in der Welt machen als List und Bosheit. Wenigstens sind die beiden letzteren gewiß seltener. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1774) [Translation: "misunderstandings and lethargy perhaps produce more wrong in the world than...

Easy for you to say ... you are in Australia and can't talk to either of them over a cup of coffee (yuck) or tea (yum) at Denny's. ;) [Which is how 'insight' comes about ... breaking bread and talking in an informal setting where you get to know people as people rather than "opposing...

[summary from the OP]: The Apostles teach @theefaith using: Smoke signals Sign language Radio TV Internet or In person Therefore, it is foolish to trust in only the written word (sola scriptura). [Personally, I found the premise hardly worth discussing and a misunderstanding of what the...

“God had one son on earth without sin, but never one without suffering.” - Saint Augustine

“I have learned to kiss the waves that throw me up against the Rock of Ages” ― Charles H. Spurgeon