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Not to get into this debate. Obviously, the last days involve a last day, and that it matters about the length of the last day. Is it meaning 24 hours or less? Or is it meaning 1000 years or more? Either way, this same last day occurs during the last days, but not after the last days, even if it...

Unfortunately, this post ended up way too lengthy. Sorry about that. One can either read all of it or not read all of it, or even not read any of it. That's up to them. That aside. 1 Thessalonians 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as...

In your view of things is that meaning before or after the 7 trumpets recorded in Revelation? Obviously, the last trump can't be the last trump if there are more trumps that follow it. It can only be the last trump after every trump that is going to sound, have sounded first. You would think no...

It's not like no one has ever went off topic in any of my threads or in anyone else's threads. But for some reason it is not ok to do that in this thread but it is ok do it in other threads? Except in my case my post was not entirely off topic since Pretribbers are obviously scared to face...

As to great tribulation, what is your view? It's 7 years in length? Or it's only 42 months in length? If the latter that would mean that for it to be midtrib it would obviously need to occur 21 months after it initially began. Except no one holds a view like that. Not even Midtribbers. And if it...

It is not only Pretribbers that are being deceived and trying to deceive others. It's also Preterists and those who are not Preterists themselves, yet align with Preterist thinking, that are being deceived and trying to deceive others. How, you might ask? Simple--Matthew 24:21. The latter would...

Who is suggesting Amil would be the apostasy? That doesn't even make any sense even if Amil is not the correct view. But speaking of apostasy though, I only see Amil making sense per the following below. Except which Amils might view things in this manner? None that i;m aware of. It could mean...

Have you ever factored in Isaiah 60 before arriving at what you do? Isaiah 60:11 Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought . 12 For the nation and kingdom...

What do you mean where are they going to come from? Is Zechariah 14, for one, not in your Bible? Is Zechariah 14 not holy writ as well? Only the NT is holy writ? No matter how you look at it, Zechariah 14:16-19 is meaning aftrr verse 12 has been fulfilled. Verse 12 has not been fulfilled yet...

I'm Premil as well, yet it is plainly obvious to me that 2 Peter 3:10 is meaning during the 2nd coming. Even 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 undeniably proves that. But even so, I remain Premil, regardless. The way I try and reason it, the millennium is the beginning of the New Heavens and New Earth...

How do you figure I left it out if the rapture meant in 2 Thessalonians 2:1 is meaning the same rapture meant in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, per my understanding of these things?. Thus the one and only rapture. And what about this passage? 1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an...

Something to keep in mind here per the OP. This Joshua person wasn't attempting to predict when the one and only rapture recorded in the Bible would take place, which would be bad enough if he had. He was attempting to predict when the rapture found nowhere in all of the Bible was to take...

It wouldn't surprise me if the mindset of Pretribbers is like such, that they interpret it like such---For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them in the form of the beginning of great tribulation, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not...

I’m a little confused by the framing of the OP, especially since you acknowledged at the end that not all Premillennialists believe the sheep enter the millennium in a mortal state. Given that, does it still stand that Premillennialism contradicts 1 Corinthians 15:50-54, especially if some...

I don't think anyone needs to forgive him unless he admits that it wasn't Jesus who was allegedly speaking to him at the time, since this would imply that Jesus is a liar and a deceiver. And that he promises to never listen to a lying spirit ever again nor insist any of these lying spirits is...

Of Revelation 20:9? If yes, since I'm Premil it would mean God does not destroy every unsaved person on the planet when He returns. And that these are tested after the millennium when the ruling with a rod of iron is lifted and satan is loosed to temp and deceive them into thinking they can...

How do we then, per this scenario you presented, make sense of passages I brought up earlier from Luke 19, verses 12, 15, and 27? The idea is not to contradict anything. We all agree with that. Yet, how can nothing not be being contradicted here, in light of Luke 19:12,15, 27, if your...

Here is something I typed up earlier that I was going to post to you but never got around to it. If nothing else it at least shows that I'm trying to be somehat objective here. ------------- Here is something one could maybe argue that might make a local flood seem more plausible than a global...

This is probably going to sound crazy, but maybe we can learn something from the Flintstones about dinosaurs. That when they existed they were basically being used in the same manner. That they basically did all the heavy lifting when things were being built that would have been impossible for...

Genesis 6:6 ¶And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air ; for it repenteth me that I...