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  1. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Those passages are not describing the rapture, they're describing Jesus' second coming/advent, which is after the Great Tribulation. They say that the elect are gathered, but not that they are changed to be spriit beings and are caught up to be with Jesus. They mention that "the sun will be...
  2. keithr

    Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?

    I only watched the first two videos (and only half of the second video), but from that I suspect that the main reason they stopped believing was because they had no personal experience of proof. When I started to get more serious about Christianity, I used to say that I had 99.9% belief in God...
  3. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Jesus is answering three questions in that chapter, but none of those questions is "When will you return to receive us to yourself?" (from John 14:3, "... I will come again, and will receive you to myself; that where I am, you may be there also"). As I just quoted from John 14:3, he did say...
  4. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Once again you have made wrong assumptions! I have not ignored my own advice, but I have read the Bible carefully, particularly the book of Revelation, along with guidance such as can be found in this video - The Book of Revelation - Session 10 of 24 - A Remastered Commentary by Chuck Missler...
  5. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Yes, don't blindly believe what people tell you, but read the Bible for yourself and figure out what it really says. That's how the Protestant movement came about, when the original manuscripts were read and it was discovered that what the Roman Catholic church was teaching was incorrect. The...
  6. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Indeed, the coming/presence of Jesus is a one time event, as is his return to collect his bride (the Church) and take them to their new heavenly home in our Father's house. They are seperate events, at different times and for different purposes. His coming to collect his bride (the Church) is...
  7. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    You haven't explained how any of those verses could support the idea that the rapture/resurrection of the Church will occur after the Great Tribulation. Do you really thing God is the kind of person that chooses and calls people, whom he forgives and justifies, to be a bride for His beloved...
  8. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    The passage is about submission to authority and enduring unjust suffering. It is about how we should follow Jesus' example in our lives - our lives here on the earth now. It has nothing to do with the timing of the rapture/resurrection of Christians in relation to the Great Tribulation. 1...
  9. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    I don't see any support for post-tribulation rapture in 1 Peter 2:20-25 either. But so what?! It seems completely unrelated to the timing of the rapture.
  10. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    I was reminded of the following verses - Luke 1:32-33 (WEB): (32) He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father, David, (33) and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever. There will be no end to his Kingdom.” Israel...
  11. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    That's wrong - I do acknowledge that Mary became pregnant by God's Holy Spirit. In post #461 I wrote, "God made Mary pregnant". Really? I thought the Holy Spirit only came upon Jesus at his baptism - John 1:32 (WEB): (32) John testified, saying, “I have seen the Spirit descending like a...
  12. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Why do you think that "you prepared a body for me" means that Jesus existed as more than one being, having more than one body at a time (as if that is possible)? If Jesus was not a perfect, sinless man, then he would not have been a suitable sacrifice for Adam, who before his disobedience was a...
  13. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    No, I don't believe that is correct! First of all "of his flesh, and of his bones" is probably a corruption of the Scriptures. The Cambridge Bible Notes says: of his flesh, and of his bones] Three important MSS. (ABא) supported by other but not considerable authority, omit these words. It has...
  14. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Spirit beings can possess a human body, and many spirit beings can possess a single human, but Jesus was not possessing somebody else. He became human. From foetus to manhood, he was the only person in possession of his body, just like us. He was not at that point a spirit being with a spirit...
  15. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    That's not quite what I meant. All humans can die, and the majority have died and the majority of the remaining will die. However, after the final judgement at the end of the Millennial Age, after the incorrigible have had their second death, from that point on for all eterntiy humans will not...
  16. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Well, Jesus came as a man, and lived/lasted as a man for about 33.5 years. Don't let the grammar blind you from the obvious meaning of Scripture. 1 Corinthians 15:40 (ESV): (40) There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the...
  17. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    I'm not aware of any verses that suggest that Israel shall have a human king reigning over them for eternity. The only king of God's kingdom will be Jesus. After all, God never wanted the Israelites to have a human king in the Old Testament days, but they insisted - from 1 Samuel (WEB): 8:5-7...
  18. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    No. Human bodies are not immortal (which means 'cannot possibly die', as opposed to mortal which means 'can possibly die') - they can be killed at any time. If Jesus had an immortal human body then he could not have died - he could not have paid the ransom price. Because he was conceived by...
  19. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    A similar verse is Hosea 3:5 (WEB): (5) Afterward the children of Israel shall return, and seek Yahweh their God, and David their king, and shall come with trembling to Yahweh and to his blessings in the last days. Albert Barnes' Bible Notes says: And David their King - David himself, after...
  20. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    As I thought I explained, I believe that "is come" or "has come" or "came" means that Jesus did indeed come as a man, and he was a man until three days after his death, when he was made an immortal spirit being. So he is no longer a man.