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The fact that no one has posted a passage that states that salvation can't be lost shows that the Bible doesn't teach this. Therefore the idea is drawn from inference. We're dealing with inferences, not facts. Inferences can be wrong, fact can't be.

It's still elephant hurling in separate posts. Which passage tells us that salvation can't be lost. I don't see any words to that effect in those passages. That indicates to me that you're inferring it from those passages. If you're inferring it then you'll need to explain how you draw that...

My post was about a believer who rejects Christ. Nothing here says it can't be lost.

Where does this passage say that eternal life can't be lost?

I'm not shifting the burden of proof. Who was the first to mention Phil 1:6 you or I? I believe it was you. You claimed it was about a person's sanctification. What makes your claim fact? You didn't explain how it supported your claim, you just said it did.

Do believers die?

I'm not talking about a non believer.

a persons dream cannot be qualified. It's subjective.

If you look at those passages closely and in context rather than elephant hurling, a fallacy, you'd see that they don't teach OSAS. That they have to be taken from their context in an attempt to support the doctrine speaks volumes.

There's really not much point. As I've said before, the arguments for OSAS are either out of context or fallacious. The Scriptures don't teach OSAS. However, in my post I spoke of a believer who rejects Christ as one who can be lost.

These debates exist because of faulty reasoning. If the logical fallacies and irrational arguments are removed there is only one answer.

That doesn't address what I said.

Would you like me to post the passage you already posted. If you assert that Phil 1:6 is a about a persons sanctification you need to show how. If you can make an assertion, why can't I? To answer your question, they believed.

I would submit that it doesn't when the Scriptures are taken in context.

I would submit firstly, that Phil 1:6 is not speaking of sanctification in the believers life. You asked at what point would salvation be lost. I submit that it can be lost when one rejects Christ.

Zeke, Since you've decided that the Nicene Creed is not Christian does that mean anyone who holds to that Creed is not Christian? More to the point, the men who came up with the creed were espousing the view of Christians of the day. That also includes church fathers prior to that day. Would...

No example? Oz, I have asked you time after time to show me where Scripture "teaches" that the dead are live. All you've done it present passages of Scriptures from which you've "INFERRED" the idea that people are alive when they are dead. Since you've presented passages from which you've...

Or maybe it's just that he's taking into account the historical setting and what Paul as a Pharisee believed rather than imposing a Greek philosophical concept on the passage. You see, we all bring presuppositions to the text, the question is are they correct. If we are to understand Paul we...

Oz, you've simply restated your position. Lazarus was dead, Jesus said so. He also said Lazarus was asleep, connecting the metaphor of sleep with death. You seem to agree there yet you then draw an illogical and unsubstantiated conclusion. That being that Lazarus wasn't dead. How is that? Your...

You make some good points here. This letter was written early in Paul's ministry and it's possible that he was still expecting the Lord to return in his lifetime. If that had been the case then he would have gone right from his earthly body to the immortal one. He said later in 1 Cor 15. 1...