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That's what so many miss. The passage is about the resurrection. People take it from this context and insert it into their theology and say, 'see, the Bible says'.

Thanks ATP. The sleep metaphor for death is seen in the Scripture. It has no meaning if one is conscious and with the Lord at death.

Oz, Please address Paul words in 1 Cor. 15. The position you're espousing is contrary to Paul's words. How is it logical to draw a conclusion from Paul's words that contradicts his words elsewhere? What I've stated fits with everything Paul said.

So what? What does that prove? Only that he's wrong. Oz, it seems to me that you give more authority to these authors than to the Scriptures. You see, what you've posted here stands in opposition to what Paul stated plainly about dead believers. Paul said if there is no resurrection of the dead...

That's not what the passage says OZ. I've already pointed out that Paul said he wants to be overclothed so that he won't be found naked. For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2...

Mate, I've refuted your doctrine by presenting biblical evidence and then supported it by quoting Bible teachers who have said it better than I could. Why have I cited Bible teachers? Because God has given the gift of teachers, If you are open to what these scholars say, then quit complaining...

Oz, You argue for logic in your discussions with others. What logic is there in placing a past tense verb in the future? In Eph 4 Paul said, Christ gave some teachers. He didn't say He will give or He is giving, he said He gave. In your post you used that passage and then spoke of God's...

Oz, how have you refuted the doctrine when you've presented the opinions of other men? It is the Scriptures, not the scholars that are the final authority. Granted, everyone interprets the Scriptures, however,must because these men says something it doesn't mean they're correct. You're quoting...

I think it's just figurative language. In the same passage there is the earth rejoicing, Trees rejoicing and singing, and Hell is provoke. Obviously this is figurative language. Also when the passage speaks of the kings it says they rise from their thrones. Do we really believe that the kings of...

Oz, look at the passage closely without presuppositions. Jesus said to Martha: 'I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?' Whoever believes in Jesus , though he...

Oz, I have demonstrated that they cannot be used interchangeably. You talk about having logical discussions and proving assertions and yet it seems that it only applies to the people you're conversing with. You made an assertion that man is alive when his body is dead. I've asked repeatedly for...

I did OZ. In post 397 I addressed 4 of the passages you posted. I address Job 26:5-6, Gen 49:33, Deut 32:22, and Ps 49: 13-15. Also, I addressed Is. 14:9-10 in post 414. However, that's not the real issue here. As I've repeatedly said you're arguing from and unargued philosophical bias. Until...

1. The grave (the resting place of the body) is distinct from sheol, which is where the spirits of the dead gather. We see this in verses such as Isa 14:9-10 (ESV). '“In the place of the dead [sheol] there is excitement over your arrival. The spirits of world leaders and mighty kings long dead...

10 The Lord also is pleased to purge him from his stroke. If ye can give an offering for sin, your soul shall see a long-lived seed: 11 the Lord also is pleased to take away from the travail of his soul, to shew him light, and to form him with understanding; to justify the just one who serves...

Oz, soul and spirit cannot be used interchangealy. A soul consists of a body and spirit. If you do a word study of ruwach, Neshamahm and Nephesh and trace their usage through the Scripture from the beginning I think you'll be surprised at what you find.

On the contrary, I did address several of the passages that you posted. The problem is that you are arguing from an unargued philosophical bias. I reject your premise that man can live outside of the body. If you're going to make that claim you need to prove it. My position is that man can't...

Seriously Oz? I'd think since you studied this you'd be familiar with what I was saying. As you read take notice how JR Mantley let his theology determine his interpretation.This is what I've been trying to get across to you in the other thread and why I don't just accept what these guys say...

Seriously Oz? You have a PHD so I am assuming that you know the difference between something taught and an inference.If I say the Scriptures teach justification by faith, I can say read Romans 3 and 4. In that passage Paul lays out an argument how that a man is not justified by keeping the Law...

You have a problem here Oz, Scripture doesn't say that the spirits of the dead go to sheol. You've brought to the text the idea that a "Soul" can live apart from the body. You also have to take into account metaphorical language. The problem is the presuppositions you're bringing to the text...

Oz, Robersons opinion on that passage has be refuted by Scholars. Even Daniel Wallace who is a Calvinist has said Robertson's position on this is wrong. He's actually going against his own theology on this position. However the real evidence in my opinion against Robertson's interpretation is...