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    In Daniel 8, 11, and 12, is A4E meant? Or is a future anti-christ meant?

    Part 3: Problems with the Antiochus Interpretation Problems with Identifying the Vile Person as Antiochus IV Epiphanes Many traditional interpreters identify the vile person in Daniel 11:21 as Antiochus IV Epiphanes. However, this view presents major problems: 1. No Clear End for the VP...
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    In Daniel 8, 11, and 12, is A4E meant? Or is a future anti-christ meant?

    Part 2: Daniel 11 and Pronoun Tracking Daniel 11:21–45: Who Is the "He"? Throughout Daniel 11:21–45, the subject is referred to consistently using the pronoun "he". There is no indication in the grammar or structure that a new person is introduced after verse 21. This strongly suggests that...
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    In Daniel 8, 11, and 12, is A4E meant? Or is a future anti-christ meant?

    Can A4E(Antiochus IV Epiphanes) be a type for the future AC? Sure. Except we determine that via Maccabees not the book of Daniel. Part 1: Introduction and Key Questions Daniel 11, the Vile Person, and the End-Time King This thread explores the identity of the "vile person" in Daniel 11:21...
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    In Daniel 8, 11, and 12, is A4E meant? Or is a future anti-christ meant?

    The following are then my conclusions. And that I used ChatGPT as a writing assistant, so to speak. I broke it down into 7 sections. Actually, ChatGPT did that for me. Starting with part 1. Basically, my view is that a literal temple is not meant in Daniel 8, 11, nor 12.
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    In Daniel 8, 11, and 12, is A4E meant? Or is a future anti-christ meant?

    Let's start with ch 11. This is mainly in regards to those who insist there a gap between verse 35 and 36. (KON) = king of the north (KOS) = king of the south (VP) = vile person in verse 21 Obviously, the vile person meant in verse 21 has to be one of these two kings. Either the KON or the...
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    The logic would have to be this, I would think. There are only 7 churches mentioned in Revelation. Therefore, the two witnesses are meaning 2 of them if meaning 2 churches. So which two then? Otherwise we end up with 9 churches in Revelation. If they are meaning 2 of the 7 churches, my guess...
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    The "watch rapture view"

    There is no such thing in Scripture anywhere where Christ initially returns as a thief in the night, thus a day and hour which no man knows, then returns yet again later, this time not as a thief in the night nor on a day which no man knows, but this time on a day which all men know. The latter...
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    Four questions makes me a robot

    Only in your mind, brother. :) A) Daniel 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. 10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars...
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    The mark of the beast as it pertains to Revelation 13 is not even relevant until those 2 beasts seen in that chapter are on the scene and working hand in hand with one another, whatever that might look like. When John provided the visions he indicated the beast was in the pit at the time...
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    Four questions makes me a robot

    I have told you numerous times already that the daily sacrifice isn't literal, that in that context it isn't involving the literal. Why are you disregarding what I already told you. I already said the 1290 days is connected with 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and the 42 month reign of the beast, and that...
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    Four questions makes me a robot

    LOL. Do you use that same argument when you are confronting Preterists and even non Preterists, in regards to Matthew 24:15-21? In this case it is you, not them, wanting Matthew 24:15-21 to be about us. Therefore, making you come across as hypocritical, per their perspective. You don't get it...
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    Four questions makes me a robot

    Part 2 of that same session with ChatGPT Me: Not to mention, when A4E rose to power it wasn't in the latter part of his kingdom, right? What was it closer to? Maybe the middle when doing the math? ---------------------------- ChatGPT: Daniel 8:23 – Does the Timing of Antiochus IV Fit? Not...
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    Four questions makes me a robot

    Since this thread already involves sessions with ChatGPT, well here is one I just had with it. In my mind ChatGPT is the only one looking at these things objectively vs anyone that insists A4E is the one meant in Daniel 8. ----------------------- Me: Daniel 8:25 And through his policy also he...
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    So what if a love to repeat things. Is there a law against that that I'm not aware of? Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. According to the way the...
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    As to peace and safety, you have to view that per perspective. You are a thinking person. You comprehend things. Let's say Tom is worshiping the beast, Joe isn't. Per this perspective, what would not be happening to Tom that might be happening to Joe? Tom would not be being persecuted...
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    That indeed could be true once AI has established world dominance. Thus far, it hasn't reached that point yet. The mark of the beast, for example, is only relevant during the 1260 days, the 42 month reign of the beast. Therefore, at this stage of the game, assuming these things will be...
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Or we could say what it likely really means. It means endtimes involving AI. That the daily sacrifice being taken away is Christ's fulfillment of the daily sacrifice because the beast is directing worship to it and away from the one true God(2 Thessalonians 2:4). As a matter of fact I asked...
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Even though I don't remotely agree with his view, nor would I entertain it in a million years as being a possible legit interpretation, he is not saying Jesus was born in the year 1260. Look at his timeline in post #1,176. He has when Moses building the tabernacle being the starting point. Then...
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    Four questions makes me a robot

    As to this. Even though I mention no interpreters by name when I say things like that, it logically has to include you being among these interpreters that I disagree with if you too are interpreting these things in the same manner. Therefore, looking at it like that I can see how you may have...
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    The "watch rapture view"

    Let's try and meet somewhere in the middle then. Maybe the following is what Jesus was ultimately meaning, which, BTW, hasn't been fulfilled yet. Ezekiel 38:20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the...