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Jesus said he had come to fulfill the Law and the Prophets, are you suggesting that He didn't do it? If He did, doesn't that mean their requirements have been met?

It's not a doctrinal interpretation Ted, it's the definition of a word. The Calvinist takes the definition of Sovereign to places the dictionary doesn't. When one has to redefine words their doctrine should be suspect.

Which in particular? I saw nothing about going outside of our earth in any of those passages. I'm not sure how this addresses the question.

Do you have any Scripture suggesting such? We're talking about at death. John was caught up also, but both he and Paul lived afterward.

Sure, I'm sovereign in my house hold, yet those in my house hold are responsible to the tasks delegated to them. Hi Ted, I'd say neither. Understanding the passage in context, however, eliminates the problems you've presented.

It just depends whether or not we let Scriptures speak

So, then you do you agree that one doesn’t need to be in heaven to be in the presence of the Lord? You said Hades was cleared out. Where do you find this taught in Scripture? What, we can’t read the passage and understand it as it is? The passage says nothing about “return” that is...

According to Paul's quoting Isaiah, the unbeliever is "This people" which was the Jews.

Christian didn't believe in original sin until Augstine.

This is well said, Paul points out that Tongues was for the unbeliever. To make this point he refers to Isaiah, when he says for it is written. Isaiah gives the purpose for which God brought about tongues. It was for a sign of judgement against the unbelievng Jews. fading flower, which are on...

Hi Shirley, Actaually, it wasn't that one person spoke and everyone heard it in a different language. There were multiple speakers speaking different languages and those nearby heard it and could focus on the person speaking their language.

Steve, Since you've studied the ECF's I'd like to ask your position is on several doctrinal issues. What is your position on baptism, war and violence, participation in government, and separation from the world?

HI Stone, Scripture simply says that God took Enoch. To say he went to heaven is an assumption based on a preconceived idea. Regarding Elijah, one can conclude that ouran needs to be translated sky sinceit Jesus said no man had ascended to heaven. Whatever, you're saying about the word return...

Hi Stone, When you go to church is it in heaven? When you have a Bible study is it in heaven? Jesus said where two or three are gathered together in my name I am there. One doesn't need to be in heaven to be in the presence of the Lord. If that was the case, then Jesus wouldn't be with those...

It makes no difference? Seriously? You’re telling me Justin believed he was going to heaven by giving me a quote from someone else? I gave you just own words, from his own mouth. You’ve given a quote by someone who was anonymous. You've spoken about me putting forth dogma, Steve, what is this...

Here are the quotes you gave me. Firstly, this is not a quote from Justin, it is someone who is giving the events of His martyrdom. I gave a quote from Justin himself in which he said, For if you have fallen in with some who are called Christians, but who do not admit this [truth], and...

Yet no one has shown where Jesus or the apostles taught any such thing. Jesus said this to His apostles, how do you suppose they would have understood this? KJV John 2:16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise. (Joh 2:16...

Steve, There's no need for Ad hominems. My point isn't to show that Origen was a Gnostic, my point was to show that the earliest writers did not teach the heavenly destiny. Again you've spoken of the heavenly promise and again you've not shown anywhere this idea is taught in the Scriptures. 1...

Not sure I follow you here. [/b] Yes and Jesus said when he returns His reward is with Him. [/b] It says in the resurrection the will be “like” the angels in heaven. This doesn’t say they are in heaven. [/b] According to Peter it was about calling the Gentiles unclean. Peter says nothing...

Hi Stone, That passage says nothing about heaven.