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  1. Butch5

    Should we pray to God or Jesus or both?

    Duckybill, We need to keep the Scriptures in context. You've posted passages that (I believe) you think counter those that I have posted. That is not a proper form of exegesis. We don't pick the passages that we think support us and ignore those that present trouble to our doctrines. We must...
  2. Butch5

    Baptism for Salvation

    I'm not following you.
  3. Butch5

    Is the Holy Spirit to be Worshipped?

    Yes, The Spirit speaks of Jesus and Jesus said He did the will of the Father. Three entities, one divine will. There can be unity we just need to be humble.
  4. Butch5

    Baptism for Salvation

    I don't know what Version you posted, but the word Guarantee is not in the original language.
  5. Butch5

    Is the Holy Spirit to be Worshipped?

    Scripture does say that Jesus and the Father are one, but what is the context? Paul said that Christ is the fullness of the God head bodily. If that is the case then they are one in purpose. Jesus said not my will , but thine be done. Jesus also prayed to the Father in John 17. John 17:20-23 (...
  6. Butch5

    Baptism for Salvation

    The thief did believe, however, the New Covenant had not yet been instituted.
  7. Butch5

    Is Mary, Jesus earthly mother in Heaven?

    All souls await the resurrection in either Abraham's bosom or Hades.
  8. Butch5

    Baptism for Salvation

    It's not a simple yes or no answer. Jesus said he who believes and is baptized "Shall" be saved. He was speaking in the future tense. Contrary to popular belief, salvation is not a one time event, it is a continuing process. The Scriptures speak of salvation in three tenses, you have been saved...
  9. Butch5

    Should we pray to God or Jesus or both?

    The same Person??? Didn't Jesus say, John 14:28 ( KJV ) Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. Are you suggesting that Jesus was saying that He was better...
  10. Butch5

    Is the Holy Spirit to be Worshipped?

    Foreigner, if you would actually answer a few questions this conversation could actually progress.You're interchanging definitions and usage which is confusing. I've asked you numerous times to define "God". Analogies only go so far before they fall apart. There is one deity, one Royalty, this...
  11. Butch5

    Is it ok for a Christian to kill people?

    You can argue against it if you like, that's your prerogative. However, I have shown from Paul's words and his usage of different Greek words from the same root that self defense is not allowed to the Christian. Paul chose the words that he did to make a point, whether today's Christians want...
  12. Butch5

    Should we pray to God or Jesus or both?

    Wouldn't "Almighty God" refer to the Father. Almighty means that there is none mightier, correct? Isn't the Father above the Son?
  13. Butch5

    Is the Holy Spirit to be Worshipped?

    You have it backwards, Where did Jesus teach His followers to worship Him or the holy Spirit. We don't assume something and then try to prove it. We must prove it then accept it. Can you show me where Jesus taught His followers to worship Him or the holy Spirit? We have clear teaching form Jesus...
  14. Butch5

    Should we pray to God or Jesus or both?

    Context, my fried, context. The point is that Jesus is not the Father The passage you posted shows that there is a plurality in the Godhead
  15. Butch5

    Is it ok for a Christian to kill people?

    According to Paul it is. See my post to Foreigner. This is not a Christians issue. There's your mistake, you assume. No need to assume, Jesus said don't repay evil for evil. Nowhere in the New Testament did Jesus or His apostles teach that Christians are to go about protecting others...
  16. Butch5

    Is it ok for a Christian to kill people?

    Look at the contrast, Jesus contrasts evil for evil with an eye for an eye.. Under the Law it was even up if some killed they ere killed, Jesus is saying no more. That Law is not fro the Christian. Actually Paul did. Paul also gives us quite clear teaching on this issue in Romans 12-13. In...
  17. Butch5

    Should we pray to God or Jesus or both?

    There's a problem with that definition. While that definition fits the Father, it doesn't fit the Son. Now if the Son is also God then we must use a different definition. The Greek word translated God ,is Theos, it means divine or deity, The Father is divine, Jesus is divine. However, Jesus is...
  18. Butch5

    In Jesus name or the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit?

    Take your time. It took me a long time of Studying, there is a lot of info in all of this. You are welcome. There is another site where you can purchase Early Church audios and a few PDF's, they are inexpensive and explain the Early Church's understanding of the teachings of Jesus and the...
  19. Butch5

    In Jesus name or the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit?

    I started a new thread, it is called Chiliasm - The Kingdom of God:
  20. Butch5

    Chiliasm - The Kingdom of God:

    Chiliasm - The Kingdom of God: A discussion on the Kingdom of God.