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I can't disagree with your sentiments. However, it seems to me that the baptism analogy of being baptised into Christ at conversion seems to be more in line with what is being taught in Rom 6:3-4.

This is a discussion forum that needs your interaction and not this kind of evading the issue.

Try telling that one to the apostle Paul and his teaching in the epistles. :(

But you've missed what he stated before the quote he gave at footnote #12 (p. 246 of his commentary on Romans): I have several other evangelical commentaries that indicate that Rom 6:3-4 does not refer to the physical act of baptism but baptism into the body of Christ as initiation into new...

I enjoy Leon Morris (especially his work on Atonement). Can you provide more context for that quote? I don't see that he is denying that this baptism is a reference to water baptism in this citation. It could be he is denying it refers to some meaningless, ceremonial event that does not...

You are still avoiding my question about the rest of the NT. Do you place more importance on Jesus' words than on the remainder of the NT?

Can't you answer a direct question without this kind of innuendo?

What are you wanting us/me to gain from that clip? How does that relate to what I wrote in #123?

I'm still waiting for the answer to my question at #213: 'So, is the remainder of the NT not important for understanding how to inherit God's kingdom?' To say that it is 'double speak' does not answer my question. Oz

Wormwood, I consider you have built a strong case for Rom 6:3-4 (ESV) referring to water baptism and I accept the evidence you have provided. However, there are others who accept that this refers to spiritual baptism, i.e. baptism into Christ at the time of conversion. However, there is a...

On that, I do agree with you:

Are there any other verses in Genesis 1 that do not apply to us in the 21st century?

Another red herring fallacy. Please answer my question.

So, is the remainder of the NT not important for understanding how to inherit God's kingdom?

I urge you to return to being with the people of God, in agreement with Hebrews 10:24-25 (ESV), 'And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, 25 not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day...

On that I agree with you. However, you have moved the goalposts from loving God and loving your neighbour. I'm indeed pleased that you are seeing Jesus' commands as much broader than what you originally indicated.

Stan, All of us suffer from the intrusion of our own theology - not just Douglas Moo. That's why we need one another as iron sharpening iron. But we need to be open to such sharpening. Oz

What you have stated here violates Hebrews 13:17 (ESV) as this verse speaks about 'Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls'. 'Leaders' is plural. And there are multiple Christian leaders around the world. Thanks for your encouragement, brother. Or, are...

There are many more commandments than the 10 (besides the one on the Sabbath has been changed - see 'Christians worshiped on the First Day of the week'). See the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5-7.

Could it be that it is not making sense because there is more to Scripture than loving God and loving our neighbours and you are not recognising that?