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  1. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    Please defend where Scripture says that they get 'a new different body' at the resurrection. However, you've stated that the definition doesn't matter, so maybe there is no need to continue this discussion.
  2. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    Butch, This is a false accusation. 'Every time' is your inaccurate hyperbole. Please be assured I only draw attention to logical fallacies committed because that is actually what happens. When people use logical fallacies, we cannot have a logical discussion, that is now being demonstrated in...
  3. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    In fact, Joyful, someone who was a murderer was a man after God's own heart. I'm speaking of King David: 'And when he had removed him, he raised up David to be their king, of whom he testified and said, ‘I have found in David the son of Jesse a man after my heart, who will do all my will' (Acts...
  4. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    But in making this statement, you are using your own reasoning ability, which the Lord has given you. To refute your view of not need to reason about God, you provide rational arguments. I don't buy them, but you are still using reasoning. Try any discussion without the use of reason. I wish you...
  5. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    Butch, I'm disappointed that you can't tell the difference between the scriptural evidence I provided an your attributing it to 'speculation'. We cannot have a rational conversation when you erect this kind of straw man fallacy. It is you who is providing speculation with your post.
  6. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    What is a 'spiritual body'? Sounds more like a round square! With what kind of body are the dead raised (1 Cor 15:35)? I Cor 15:42-44 states: ‘So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: it is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is...
  7. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    No, it was the same body - but different - and i provided the biblical evidence. You have not refuted that evidence.
  8. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    Butch, I understand the biblical evidence to present a slightly different picture to what you are saying here. There is biblical evidence that Jesus' resurrected body was the same but different to the one that went into Joseph of Arimathea's tomb. Here's the evidence: Sameness Examples of...
  9. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    But you have not given up reasoning in these 2 sentences. Why are you denigrating reasoning when you continue to use it to make your points? Your view on reasoning sounds contradictory to me!
  10. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    Brother in Christ, 1 Peter 3:15 (ESV) states: Being an example in love does not address the content of this verse because it deals with providing a defense to 'anyone who asks'. Opening the mouth and defending the faith is required when such a person asks for a reason for the hope that you...
  11. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    It seems as though you are not reading the whole Bible. What do you think 1 Peter 3:15 (ESV) means?
  12. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    You and I both need human reasoning to engage in basic communication on this forum. Ever heard of the need for semantics in how we communicate. It's basic! Oxford dictionaries give the meaning of 'semantics' as: You have used logic in the semantics of this sentence, but I don't think you...
  13. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    I give up trying to interact with you when you refuse to deal with the issues I raise with you. This was your response to my statement: 'But you have spread your own understanding in this thread'. Yours is a red herring response. We cannot have a reasonable conversation when you do this. Bye! Bye!
  14. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    You still have not answered my question of how one can do a defense (apologia) of the faith without engaging in reasoning. Is Isaiah 1:18 not in your Bible?
  15. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    But you have spread your own understanding in this thread, without biblical evidence to support your position. Are you ignorant of what you do with these kinds of replies?
  16. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    Is Hebrews 9:15 (NASB) not in your Bible? Have you ever tried to provide a defense (apologia) of Christianity without doing some reasoning? (1 Peter 3:15 NASB)
  17. OzSpen

    Dear Church, Here’s Why People Are REALLY Leaving You

    'foosih virgins' :lol:
  18. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    Quoting verses does not present a reasoned argument.
  19. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    So what is the Gospel that is needed to be proclaimed so that people can be born again?
  20. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    'Witch'??? So the rest of the NT is of no use to you, apart from Jesus' 'direct words'. So do you have a red letter Bible so you are able to discern Jesus' direct words? Are the rest of the Gospels also superfluous - besides Jesus' exact words?