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  1. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    Are you saying that at the time of the writing of the NT, that the OT was not the Bible for the people of that time? You are drawing a long bow with that view. You say, 'The Bible did not exist when Paul wrote' is not true. Why was the OT not the Bible until the NT was written? It is generally...
  2. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    With respect, that is not what the Bible teaches. It does teach this: 'All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work' (2 Tim 3:16-17 NIV). So, ALL...
  3. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    I am in full support. I would add that we are not robots who accept what any teacher promotes. We need to be Bereans, based on Acts 17:11 (NIV): 'Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the...
  4. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    Well said! Reading a verse in context as well as understanding the culture of the day and the meaning of words (etymology) are important in arriving at a settled understanding of a verse. Interpretation involves these dynamics and we need to hold each other to account for dealing with these...
  5. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    Another red herring. Bye! :wub:
  6. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    That's a red herring fallacy of a reply.
  7. OzSpen

    Dear Church, Here’s Why People Are REALLY Leaving You

    Josho, If you want to hear an excellent expository preacher in Australia (he's a Welshman), he is Rev David Jones at Ann Street Presbyterian Church in downtown Brisbane. Choose his sermons by clicking on the MP3 link on the right-hand side of the sermon on the webpage HERE. You wont get any...
  8. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    I support the fact that we should love God and love one another. However, you are still not addressing the issues Wormwood and I have raised in response to your posts. That's the issue I'm raising, but you don't seem to be listening.
  9. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    Thanks, DogLady19. You don't have to go to the extreme to see the dominance of a leader. A couple of the seeker-sensitive gurus seem to be close to that definition. It is very dangerous to say that Jesus, in Matt 23:10 was opposing teachers. He was opposing dominant leaders/masters who opposed...
  10. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    Why don't you deal with the issues that Wormwood and I have raised in opposition to your interpretation? You state here: 'Everyone is entitled to your their opinion'. Yep, but I'm not going to take any notice of it if it is not based on evidence. 'Jesus is the perfect Teacher. You don't seem...
  11. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    You are correct. However, there is the additional issue that Matt 23:10 ((ESV) does not use the regular Greek word for teacher, didaskalos, but kathegetes, which can mean 'teacher' (Arndt & Gingrich, Zondervan 1957:389), but it refers to masters/leaders (Vincent, Eerdmans 1946:123, vol 1). The...
  12. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    To which verse are you referring that causes you to say that I'm disregarding His word? Where does Jesus say not to let anyone call you teacher because He is the teacher?
  13. OzSpen

    Dear Church, Here’s Why People Are REALLY Leaving You

    Josho, So how long do you think services should be? What's the difference between a boring and a not-boring sermon? What kinds of worship music do you like? Do you get it where you attend church? How many churches have you attended where teenagers' doubts were addressed in sermons/talks...
  14. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    Joyful, These verses are also in the Bible: Eph 4:11-13 (NIV): '11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and...
  15. OzSpen

    My Settings

    Thanks lforrest. That's magic. :)
  16. OzSpen

    My Settings

    Where can I locate 'My Settings' so that I can change some of them?
  17. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    The Barrd, I think it was #242 above I gave Chuck Swindoll's simple explanation of what happens at death. I consider this is a basic and excellent explanation: I'm getting way too many email in this thread and it's overloading my inbox. So, I'm leaving this discussion. We seem to be going over...
  18. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    That's why knowledge of NT Greek is so important when doing exegesis, if such is available to you. I'd recommend all who are able to handle learning any foreign language to take an introductory course in NT Greek. I find it best to take that class in the classroom if possible, but such a lot is...
  19. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    Jesus is talking about where he went at the moment of death when crucified - to Paradise, i.e. heaven (cf Rev 2:7 ESV).
  20. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    Those who support soul sleep or annihilation, tend to favour, 'Truly, I say to you today, you will be with me in Paradise'. However, I as an orthodox evangelical support the translation of Luke 23:43 (ESV), 'Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise', as that is what makes...