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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    How can you recognize that Revelation 6:12-17 is basically parallel to Revelation 19:11-21, but not recognize that Revelation 14:14-20 is also parallel to those two passages?
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    Question for Premils (Amils welcome to answer): How many times are the dead judged?

    Since we normally only talk to each other on this forum when we are disagreeing, I thought I'd reply to this post and say that I agree with all of that. I hadn't thought of Revelation 20 verses 12 and 13 in the way you described before. I'll have to take a closer look at it to see if I agree...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    He clearly indicated that not all Christians have all of the spiritual gifts. Apparently, your answer to each of the questions that Paul asks in the following passages is "Yes". The correct answer is "No". 1 Corinthians 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. 28 And God...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    How about just not saying things like this at all? Are you able to refrain from saying things like this or can you just not help yourself? I don't deny that He will make all things new. Please try to address my beliefs rather than a straw man's beliefs. No, it is not. That would be like saying...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    That is not at all what Paul said. He said to one is given a certain gift, to one is given a different gift, to another is given another different gift and so on. In no way, shape or form did Paul indicate that all Christians have all of the spiritual gifts. To say that the gift of faith is...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    So, the fact that English translations differ shows that we can't determine the truth about this just from the Greek itself since there's no consensus on how the Greek should be translated into English. Yet, that is what you are trying to claim. You're making it as if the Greek is clear to...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    You make up your own man-made rules that scripture must go by. I don't get that. I'm not obligated to go along with your man-made rules. It's not a requirement that every single time Paul mentioned the spiritual temple of God that he had to spell that out. There can't ever be exceptions to the...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    Is there some reason why you didn't show who said this (it was me)? Peter said that the earth itself and the works that are in it will be burned up. Why did you neglect to include the part where Peter said the earth itself will be burned up along with "the works that are in it"? 2 Peter 3:10...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    That verse is not talking about the faith that all Christians have. It's not talking about saving faith. It's talking about a spiritual gift given to some Christians after they become saved. It's not a gift that's given to someone that results in their salvation, in other words. That verse is...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    Who are you talking to here? You replied to me, but you're saying a bunch of things that don't apply to what I believe. I'm not "looking for and expecting a real boogeyman (Satan himself)". I don't believe in a "7 year tribulation" or in "the end time coming of a Satan like figure". If your post...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    It can't be talking about earthly Jerusalem because earthly Jerusalem will be burned up along with the rest of the earth when Jesus comes as a thief in the night (2 Peter 3:10-12). So, it would have to be talking about the heavenly Jerusalem instead. Only the heavenly Jerusalem will never be...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    I'm not going to trust that you actually have a strong grasp of Greek grammar. I don't believe that. 2 Thessalonians 2:9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    Why do you think that is the case when in his other letters to Christians in other cities he always spoke of the temple (naos) of God as a spiritual temple? Do you think Paul would not have talked to them about the church as the temple of God when he was with the Thessalonians in person? I'm...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    That's Zechariah 14:11, not Zechariah 12:11. Do you mean Zechariah 14?
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    So, just ignore the comparison Jesus made to the flood in Noah's day then. What He was indicating in the comparison to the destruction of Sodom by fire was the means by which unbelievers will be destroyed at His second coming, which will be by fire, as 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8 and 2 Peter 3:10-12...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    Why would Jesus come for His bride before she is ready to be married? She is not said to be ready until Jesus returns (Revelation 19), which will be after the tribulation of those days (Matthew 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27). No, all unbelievers were killed. Jesus said that is how it will be when He...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    Right. In addition to what you said here, I believe that Jesus compared the destruction that will occur at His second coming to what happened to Sodom in the sense that Sodom was destroyed by fire. Likewise, the earth will be destroyed by fire when Jesus returns (2 Peter 3:10-12). The comparison...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    LOL. You say what I said is completely illogical and you follow that up by saying something completely illogical. It's always a complete waste of time talking to you. LOL. You are a comedian. I skip nothing. I recognize that there seals, trumpets and vials are parallel. You can't even discern...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    The Beast Revelation

    You really need to learn how to quote people the right way. When did I say "card...doesn't mean you're not saved"? I don't even know what that means. Which post number are you referring to there? Reply to the post itself or at least give the full quote of what I said.
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    It's unfortunate that your preterist beliefs are causing 2 Thessalonians 2 to be confusing to you. The temple of God that Paul references is one that would exist up until the time that Jesus comes again and we are gathered to Him. So, he can't possibly be referring to a physical temple there. We...