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So, what makes you decide that 2 Thessalonians 1:10 does not apply to when the rapture occurs?

So, God's expectation of people is that they not suppress the truth since they have no excuse for that, right? So, why then do you believe in the Calvinist doctrine of total depravity? Total depravity indicates that people have no choice but to suppress the truth in unrighteousness because they...

Here you are again making a claim that is never taught in scripture. Why do you think you can do that? Do you think you have more authority than scripture itself? Where does scripture teach that being dead in sins means that someone can't put their faith in Jesus Christ. Show me. You don't...

So, you are saying that you, and all believers, have all of the spiritual gifts at least to some small degree even though scripture never teaches that. So, are you going to claim that you can do things like speak in tongues, interpret tongues, perform miracles and healings at least to some small...

The church referenced in scripture is made up of true Christians who have genuine faith in Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior. What? Look at your post #28. What you quoted that I had said comes from 2 Thessalonians 1:10. Why would you not think that the day when He comes "to be...

What does that mean? I see that you are yet another person here who has no interest in being taken seriously. You quoted me as saying something that I didn't even say. Grow up. LOL. Do you not know what a Spiritual Israelite is? You are very ignorant. Also, as has been pointed out, Gentile...

The rapture refers to the event where all believers in the church will be gathered and caught up to meet the Lord Jesus in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, 2 Thessalonians 2:1). You showed here that I referenced 2 Thessalonians 1:10. Do you think that Jesus will come "to be glorified in His...

This means you do NOT agree. Why would you say you "totally agree" and then immediately proceed to show how we do not agree? I seriously don't know what in the world you are thinking when you're creating your posts. You constantly contradict yourself. Maybe in the sense that it's something that...

<eye roll> <chuckles> <chuckles> <eye roll> Yeah, tell me about it. <eye roll> <chuckles> No, I'm not. And you're doing nothing to prove otherwise. If you really believe that, then you should being willing to acknowledge that not all Christians have the spiritual gift of faith. LOL! You...

Jesus clearly indicated otherwise in Matthew 25:31-46. He indicated there that both the saved and unsaved will be gathered at the same time when He comes with His angels and they will then be judged.

Nothing new there. They rarely even try to do so. Probably because they know when they do try to do so, they just end up embarrassing themselves with a bunch of incoherent gibberish. Yeah, it's been dead since a year ago when there were multiple threads that thoroughly refuted pretrib. The only...

I didn't say that. You just don't get it. I'm not saying we shouldn't consult Greek resources for help, but this is a case where they don't really help much. So, should we just assume that we can't understand the text then? It was inspired by the Holy Spirit and is meant to be understood. So...

We've already been over the fact that you don't understand what Hebrews 11:1 means multiple times. Did you forget? You have no understanding of Hebrews 11:1 whatsoever. Look at it in context. You seem to always forget to look for context in scripture. It looks like you are using the ESV...

What don't you understand about Paul saying that not all Christians have all of the gifts of the Spirit? I'm not trying to make you do anything. You're making yourself look bad here with the way you are interpreting 1 Corinthians 12:9. 1 Corinthians 12:28 And God has appointed these in the...

Agree, but I wasn't just talking about one person. All pre-tribs or mid-tribs or anyone else who thinks that Jesus will descend from heaven more than once in the future are just making that up. Nowhere does scripture teach that. Not even close. It's all from their wild imaginations.

This is why I bring up 2 Thessalonians 2:9-10, which you don't seem willing to address. I am saying that it's not the revealing or coming of the man of sin that is being restrained, but rather what happens when the man of sin/lawlessness comes and is revealed is what is being restrained. 2...

Okay. That's meaningless since you acknowledge that the Greek is "super ambiguous, and difficult to understand". So, we can't rely on our or anyone else's understanding of the Greek in verse 7 to understand what Paul was saying. 2 Thessalonians 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he...

It's amazing that anyone would believe that Jesus will descend from heaven more than once in the future. Scripture never teaches such a thing. It's an utterly ridiculous thing to believe. Acts 1:9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received...

The point is that you're going by man-made rules, which I'm not interested in. I'm interested in looking at the scriptures for myself and allowing the Holy Spirit to show me what they mean. Isn't that what you want to do? It seems that, instead, you want biblical scholars to tell you what to...

So, can you acknowledge then that not all Christians have the spiritual gift of faith just as not all Christians have the spiritual gift of speaking in tongues or the spiritual gift of healing and so on? Ugh. This is not at all what Paul taught. You are adding things to scripture that are not...