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I'm not trying to talk about what happens to them, but what happens to them at that point is a determining factor in whether the rapture is pre-trib or post-trib. Since Jesus will be taking vengeance on all unbelievers and destroying them when He comes again, that means the rapture has to be...

For one things it's 2 Thessalonians 1 and for another thing, what are you talking about? It's addressed to true believers. 2 Thessalonians 1:1 To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: 2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ...

Jesus Himself indicated that faith is a work of man! Hello? (CEV) John 6:27 Don't work for food that spoils. Work for food that gives eternal life. The Son of Man will give you this food, because God the Father has given him the right to do so.” 28 “What exactly does God want us to do?” the...

What does that mean? Why do you so often say things without any explanation for what you mean? Goodness gracious, this is an incredibly stupid assertion. You contradict yourself constantly. You say all people are capable of accepting God's offer of salvation and then proceed to indicate that...

No, it means, PinSeeker, that not all believers are given every one of the spiritual gifts. That means there are some spiritual gifts that each believer does not have at all. Otherwise, Paul would not say to desire the best gifts (1 Corinthians 12:31). He wouldn't say that if we already have...

This is nothing more than incoherent gibberish (except for the scripture you quoted, of course). Let me help you out here. What Paul indicated will happen on the same day as what he described in verse 10, which you agreed describes what will happen when the rapture occurs, is that Jesus will...

Why are you not addressing my point? You agreed that 2 Thessalonians 1:10 describes what will happen when the rapture occurs, right? So, what else will occur on that day, according to Paul in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9?

Okay, so compare that to what Paul said will happen on the same day of the rapture in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 and see if your understanding matches what he wrote there.

Your way of interpreting scripture is utterly ridiculous. You think that just because a passage doesn't contain a certain detail (Jesus coming in power and great glory) relating to Christ's one and only future descension from heaven, that means it can't be talking about when Jesus comes in power...

So, what do you think spiritual discernment means then? Do you think it relates to the understanding of "the deeper things of God" in scripture that the Holy Spirit gives to us? That's how I see it. I think that is made pretty clear by Paul in 1 Corinthians 2:9-16. That would require you to...

Right. And the spiritual discernment comes from the Holy Spirit, according to Paul in 1 Corinthians 2:9-16. Right. I didn't say otherwise, but @claninja just doesn't get that.

Define "the Trib" as you understand it exactly. As I just showed you in my previous post, what Paul actually taught is a pre-wrath on the day Christ returns rapture. However you want to put that. You agreed with me that 2 Thessalonians 1:10 refers to the day of the rapture. Well, Paul indicated...

Okay, so it turns out that you do agree with me that 2 Thessalonians 1:10 will occur when the rapture occurs. And there will only be one rapture. Do you agree with that? If so, read the following passage... 2 Thessalonians 1:7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is...

No, he did not teach that there's nothing we have to do to be saved. That blatantly contradicts what he said to the jailer when the jailer asked him and Silas what he had to do (what he had to do, not what God had to do for him) to be saved. Acts 16:30 And he brought them out and said, “Sirs...

Those things happen. You often misunderstand me as well for whatever reason. Sometimes because of poor reading comprehension and sometimes because of poor communication. Sometimes because of our vision being clouded due to doctrinal bias. Or sometimes some combination of all those things...

So, you say we are required to do something that we can't do ourselves at all. Do you know nonsensical that is? You continue to repeatedly make claims that you can't support with scripture. Why? How do you think I'm going to take you seriously when your posts are mostly void of scriptural...

So, that means believers are not gifted with all of the spiritual gifts and that would include the spiritual gift of faith. Since all believers have saving faith, but do not all have the spiritual gift of faith, that means the spiritual gift of faith is not saving faith. Very simple. There's no...

In Old Testament times, observing the feast of tabernacles included the performing of animal sacrifices and offerings. But, the sacrifice of Christ "once for all" made animal sacrifices and offerings obsolete. So, in what way do you think the feast of tabernacles will be observed in the eternal...

Are you saying that you believe 2 Thessalonians 1:10 relates to a pre-trib rapture rather than a post-trib rapture? How many raptures do you think there will be? There will only be one and if you do believe that 2 Thessalonians 1:10 refers to when the one and only rapture occurs, then you should...

That's a non-answer. If it wasn't for doctrinal bias, I am certain that you would believe that 2 Thessalonians 1:10 would occur when the rapture occurs because it makes perfect sense to believe that Jesus will "be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe" when His...