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Yeah, I know, you google your numbers of verses regularly. I dont' believe you or your supposed 300 verses. So, your basing your belief on the perpetual virginity of Mary on something not said in Scripture? That speaks volumes. Make up what ever you like. Just know, it's made up...

No, Scripture says Mary had other children. Thus Mary is no perpetual virgin. What is crazy is your belief that Mary is a perpetual virgin despite Scripture. Big deal. The Orthodox don't tell me what the Bible says. I read it for my own. You and the 'Orthodox' are to used to having...

Oh. I thought you did agree. So, why is it necessary for Mary to be a perpetual virgin?

It is important the Mary not be a perpetual virgin because Scripture doesn't say she was. And the Roman church has created a false doctrine concerning it. That is what debates are for. To prove and disprove is all part of it. It affects what people will believe. Stranger

Well, just substitute the word 'necessary' to 'important'. As you agree that perpetual virginity was not necessary for the salvation Christ accomplished, then you should be able to see the unimportance of it. As I said, I can know the mind of God to the extent that I understand the...

God never said Mary was to be a perpetual virgin. Stranger

Well, they could be wrong about other things. Which they were. But we have the Scripture to be our judge. My answer is not a cop out. It is the answer. Though they did move away from the Roman church, they didn't move far enough. Ah, you're being deceptive. I can't be right in saying...

Yes I know what you answered and I showed you that I disagree with your answer. Mary's perpetual virginity is not needed to show any uniqueness to Christ and neither does it do anything for His Divinity. It is not necessary. The virgin birth was necessary. Perpetual virginity is not. I...

I never left the OP. All I said was in response to the OP. I'm sure at times I have drifted away from the OP. Like everyone does. It is only natural if one wants to respond to everything being said by others. Yourself included. Stranger

No, the people didn't believe they were Christians. There were no Christians at this time. The Church had not started yet. No doubt they felt they were in the kingdom or should be in the kingdom. But they were not. No, they didn't do everything they were supposed to. If they had they...

Well, what I responded to was in post #19. There was no derailing. You made a statement about all is just a theory cause we weren't there. That just as silly as saying we don't really know if what is said about Jesus Christ is true, cause we weren't there. So, you see, my comment was not...

It means they were wrong concerning Mary's perpetual virginity. Remember they were part of the Roman Church also for years. Thus they would be affected by it. They were drawing the line in some areas of doctrine, but not in all. The Reformers were correct in dividing where they did. In...

The virgin birth bears witness, and was necessary for The Son of God to accomplish salvation for man. There is no need for a 'perpetual virginity'. It serves no purpose, other than to give Mary a place God never intended. To deny Mary's perpetual virginity in no way affects my faith in...

'had meaning' doesn't carry the same meaning as 'pertain to'. Did Christ tell Nicodemus that he needed to be born again? Do these same verses tell us, and any who read them, that we need to be born again? Stranger

Wormwood Is it silly that God told Daniel to seal up the revelation He gave him because it was for another time? (Dan.12:4,9) As I said before, some futuristic revelation God gave was for every generation to know, such as the book of Revelation. But, as they would read it they would know it...

liafailrock If your 'mundane' things are not supported by the Bible, then you are in dangerous territory. Stranger

What I said was in response to your post #19. No one is hijacking anything. Go ahead, shut it down. That's easier than answering the questions or staying in the debate. Maybe moderators shouldn't be allowed to participate in any debate. Because when they can't hold their positiion...

You mean "if you don't believe the Bible like 'Born_Again' believes". Then one must not be following Christ. What is the shepherds voice that a true believer knows? Stranger

BreadOfLife Again, stats are just another way of lying. Again, why is it so important that Mary be a perpetual virgin? Stranger

Again, Are you saying one can be a Christian, but Christ never knew them? Stranger