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You are not making much of an effort to understand what we're saying, that's for sure. And your interpretations are completely biased. And you are doing nothing to show how passages like John 5:28-29, Matthew 13:36-43, Matthew 13:47-50, Matthew 25:31-46, 2 Peter 3:10-12 and others can be...

Is that what I said? No, I did not. I am disagreeing with what it means for the saints to be given thrones for judgment and not saying that God doesn't judge His people. Pay attention to what I'm actually saying, please. All people, including God's people and those who are not God's people, will...

This is silly. No, mainstream is not always the opposite of the truth. Sometimes, sure. Always? No. The mainstream view of those who claim to be Christians is that Jesus died and rose again from the dead. Is that the opposite of the truth? And we're talking about you alone knowing better than...

So, you think you somehow know better than everyone of note who has ever lived, right?

I know you did. Do you not think I know what point I was making since, you know, I was making it? Your response indicates that you missed my point. LOL. First, you deny that it's talking about an earthly city and then you proceed to indicate that it's talking about the ancient earthly city of...

Your problem is that Paul said the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ that will occur at His second coming is the second resurrection in order, not the first. 1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits...

They were bodily resurrected, but it does not say they were resurrected with immortal bodies. They couldn't have been because that would contradict 1 Corinthians 15:22-23 which says the order of resurrections unto bodily immortality was Christ's first and next in order are those who belong to...

2 Timothy 3:12 In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. It is believed that most, if not all, of the disciples were killed for their faith. Stephen was killed for his faith. And MANY other Christians have been killed in the past almost 2,000 years...

Careful. You're going to confuse him by using scripture to back up your view. He prefers reckless assumptions and wild theories.

The two witnesses do exactly what they are told to do and there's nothing to indicate otherwise. But, it's all symbolic text. It's not talking about fire literally coming out of their mouths and such. LOL! Come on. Why are you interpreting all of that literally? The fire coming out of their...

No, I am not. Yes. This shows that both things can be done at the same time. You seemed to be talking about a person first going through one stage for some amount of time and then going through another stage after that for some amount of time until they eventually are saved and they're not...

These questions are irrelevant and show that you are missing the point. What is mysterious about Babylon in the book of Revelation? If it's a literal city like Jerusalem then there's nothing mysterious about it. That would be too obvious since it's called the great city. But, the reality is that...

Yes, I'm sure. That doesn't say anything about anyone sitting on thrones while they are being judged. Judgment being given to the saints does not equate to the saints being judged. Them being on thrones indicates that they are taking part in the judging in some way and not being judged...

Yes, it is the church. That is what heavenly Jerusalem represents. Galatians 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of...

Nonsense! You are constantly making scripture say what you want it to say. You are ignoring what Jesus Himself said! John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. No one has ascended bodily to heaven except for...

You mean the massive contradictions in your imagination that you have failed to show using scripture? Is it those contradictions that you're talking about? Yes, let's not even take Abraham or Moses literal! They are not real people. Just make the whole Bible figurative while you're at it. LOL...

More scripture tag. Again, there is no description of anyone being judged there in Revelation 20:4 or in Daniel 7:22. You don't get judged if you sit on thrones. But, go ahead and keep ignoring context if that's what you want to do. And, go ahead and ignore passages like Matthew 13:36-43...

I just have to tell it like it on this one. This interpretation of Revelation 12 is terrible. The woman of Revelation 12 is not earthly Jerusalem. That's impossible. Her only children are Jesus Himself and "the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of...

I understand that some traits of mystery Babylon are similar to ancient Jerusalem, but it seems you ignored my points completely, as I don't see that you addressed them anywhere here. Jerusalem does not fit the whole description of Mystery Babylon. History did not end in 70 AD and Revelation...

Premils are always making scripture say what they want it to say. They don't take Jesus at His word when He said an hour, not hours, is coming when all the dead will be raised (John 5:28-29). They don't take Jesus at His word when He indicates that all people, saved and lost, will be gathered...