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Yes, just ignore that there are also post-trib amillennialists and not just post-trib premils. LOL. What a joke.

You mean like you're doing to me? What a hypocrite you are. And you also think Paul didn't fully know what he was talking about in his letters. You have made that clear. You have been exposed as a wolf in sheep's clothing. Don't think that I won't keep reminding people of that.

Yes, and so what? What is your point in saying this?

Yes, but only because of my understanding of 2 Thess 2:1-12 and Matthew 24. Paul made it very clear that a mass falling away had to occur first and the man of sin being revealed (my understanding of that is far different than yours). Jesus also talked about many turning away from the faith and a...

You said "The point is that the rapture can not be predicted to happen on a set day - like post-trib predicts.". What did you mean by this? It comes across as you saying that post-trib claims to be able to predict what day the rapture will occur. Yeah, so? So? Right. We don't know what day...

I think he might be thinking of some post-tribbers who see the references to 1,260 days and such as literal and they think at a certain point they would be able to calculate the day of His return using the time periods referenced in Daniel and Revelation. But, of course, that is completely...

Really? I guess I should have included a smiley when I said that. I would never even dream of actually doing that. I highly doubt they would exegete scripture even if offered money to do so, anyway. :D

Doug, can you please stop the lies? You're better than this. Post-trib cannot predict what day Jesus will return. Not the version of post-trib that people in this thread hold to, at least. And, you're talking to us here, not some other post-tribs who foolishly think the exact day of His return...

Okay, I will keep my money and use it for better things. :D

Absolutely right. Dispensationalists do not differentiate between saved and unsaved Israelites, but Paul clearly did. You can't hope to understand Romans 11 without recognizing that. Seeing it the way they do (not differentiating between saved an unsaved Israelites) leads them to believe that...

I might be willing to give them money if it would get them to actually use scripture to back up their claims. I don't have a whole lot of spare cash, though. We amils might all need to chip in to the Pretrib Exegesis Fund.

Do you know how it makes you look when you are so ignorant of what others believe? I'll give you a hint. Not good. We amillennialists teach that He is king over all the earth now because scripture explicitly teaches that. Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a...

Do we have to offer them money in order to get them to actually exegete some scripture and make a coherent argument? Maybe that's what it takes.

Where do you see anything like that described anywhere in the New Testament? You don't, right? So, how does your interpretation of Zechariah 14 line up with what is taught in the NT? Do you think the NT authors didn't know how to interpret Zechariah 14 correctly? What they taught contradicts...

If you look closely there it says it becomes the kingdom "of our Lord and of his Messiah". So, "our Lord" there is referring to God the Father. He doesn't begin to reign until Jesus delivers His kingdom to the Father when He returns. 1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ...

Nothing but the sound of crickets in response to this post. Premils have no interest in making any effort to make sure their interpretations don't contradict any other scripture. And they don't allow the NT to shine light on the OT for them.

You are a child. Like your immature childish brethren, you are incapable of making a coherent argument using scripture. Are there any adult pretribbers here who would like to have an adult discussion? Step on up!

Say what exactly? I'm not interested in your games. You can't be taken seriously if you're not willing to exegete any scripture and explain clearly why you believe what you do.

So, you are apparently wanting to just exchange opinions back and forth without exegeting any scripture and showing exactly how you are coming to your conclusions? Is that right? If so, I have no interest in that. Back up your claims with scripture or we're done.

Do you believe in soul sleep or something? The ones with Jesus when He comes would be the souls of the dead in Christ who then unite with their resurrected, changed, immortal bodies.