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So, you think the following passages are talking about the physical nation of Israel despite Paul indicating that nothing physical has anything to do with what he was talking about. Galatians 6:15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation. 16 Peace...

I and covenantee are showing that the former is true and Jack is just countering with the obvious, which is that the latter is not true (even though no one is claiming as such). It's his dishonest way of not addressing my contention that the concept of a spiritual Israel is taught in scripture.

He has a lot of trouble answering simple questions for some reason.

LOL. Are you afraid to give your understanding of these passages? Are you afraid to have your view challenged? That comes across as you just believing what you want to believe. Please enlighten me as to how the following passages should be interpreted: Galatians 6:15 Neither circumcision nor...

Wow, you are being very dishonest and cowardly here. Again, I don't care what anyone calls it. You don't like the term "Spiritual Israel". Fine. I'm saying that scripture teaches about a spiritual "Israel of God" that is a different entity than national Israel. I quoted Galatians 6:16 and I...

Are you kidding me here? I showed you a different Israel from national Israel and it is spiritual in nature. Is that not enough for you? I don't care what you call it. Paul called it "the Israel of God", so let's go with that. I showed you that. So, please read my post #52, stop being a coward...

I already have and you ignored it. Romans 9:6-8, which is a passage that you would clearly rather not give any careful thought about. Here is another passage that refers to Spiritual Israel as "the Israel of God". Galatians 6:15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what...

That is talking about Spiritual Israel, but you obviously think it's talking about national Israel. I asked you who are Jesus's people? So, your answer is national Israel then? Is that what Paul taught? Do you even care what Paul taught? You did quote him once, but you don't even agree with what...

You say Jesus is coming to fight for Israel and Paul said He is coming to fight for Christians (2 Thess 1:6-10). Who should I believe, you or Paul? I will pick Paul every time. Paul had a far better understanding of OT prophecies than you did. We should accept his understanding of them. Perhaps...

Answering a question with a question? A sure sign that you are afraid to have your view challenged. You would prefer to ignore the scriptures that clearly disagree with your view. Can you please answer my question first? Then I will answer your question. Again, who is John talking about here...

Did I say otherwise? No, I absolutely did not. You are coming across as very paranoid here. Are you actually reading what we're saying? Talk to us instead of your straw man.

Are you afraid to address what I showed you from 2 Thess 1:6-10? Who is Jesus fighting for there? You are not willing to be honest about ALL scripture. You have cherry picked the scripturess that you THINK support your view while ignoring many other scriptures.

Where did he say that? Nowhere. Are you paranoid? You are seeing things that aren't being said. What he quoted obviously only referred to unbelieving Israelites and not believers.

Your dispensational blindness is preventing you from seeing that the new covenant, the only covenant by which sins can be taken away, was already put into affect long ago! Matthew 26:28 This is my blood of the new covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. Has the...

Do you not care if your interpretation of OT prophecies agrees with what is taught in the NT? 2 Thess 1:6 God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you 7 and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in...

Looks like you just believe what you want to believe and don't want to accept what passages like Romans 9:6-8 teach. You can't even bring yourself to exegete the passage and show exactly how it should be interpreted. I guess you should just rip that passage and others that your doctrine...

No, such a person should expect to be told that that they are believing one particular thing that the Pharisees also believed. It does not make someone a Pharisee if the person only agrees with one thing the Pharisees believed but disagrees with them on many other things. They didn't believe in...

Is that your only takeaway from it? What does it mean to say that "not all who are descended from Israel are Israel"? Obviously, all who are descended from the nation of Israel are national Israel since that is only dependent on being a physical descendant and not dependent on whether someone...

The nation of Israel is the nation of Israel and Spiritual Israel is Spiritual Israel. I missed your interpretation of the following passage, so could you please tell me how you interpret it: Romans 9:6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are...

When we're told to watch you seem to think it means to look up in the sky to watch for the imminent coming of Jesus. But, is that that it means? No, I don't believe so. Matthew 24:4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the...