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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    A polite question for pretribbers

    You are sure reading a lot into that passage that isn't there. I'm not seeing what you're seeing there at all. What I see is Paul saying that the order of bodily resurrections (the context is resurrections unto immortality) was that Christ's was first and then next in order are those who belong...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    25 questions that prove that ancient Chiliasm was a different animal to modern Premil

    No, you don't. No, that isn't what I'm talking about. Don't pretend like you don't know what I'm talking about. You often make rude and condescending remarks towards others who disagree with you. That is a fact that everyone here knows. If you actually taught the truth, you would get at least...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    2 Peter 3:10 The Big Whoosh

    Exactly! The Premil understanding of the day of the Lord does NOT have it coming unexpectedly like a thief in the night. Why can't they understand that? Since the day of the Lord will come unexpectedly like a thief in the night then that means what Peter describes as happening on the day of...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    A polite question for pretribbers

    As a pre-trib you believe that there will be a mass resurrection of the dead several years before the first resurrection occurs, right? Please explain how that makes any sense when the first resurrection would actually be the second resurrection that takes place according to your pre-trib view.
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    25 questions that prove that ancient Chiliasm was a different animal to modern Premil

    What about your own upleasant comments and accusations? It's okay for you? What you believe about that exposes you as some kind of cult member or heretic who cannot be trusted to teach the truth of God's Word.
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    Another Premillennial absurdity

    Why did you say this without even bothering to point out one thing that he said that did not reflect the beliefs of Premils? It goes without saying? Please. Just back up what you're saying with one or two examples. Is that too much to ask?
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    Another Premillennial absurdity

    What would be the point of the supposed future "Millennial Era", knowing that once it ends everything that it may have accomplished would fall apart, resulting in a huge number of people "as the sand of the sea" rebelling against Jesus and against everything they had learned and experienced for...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Another Premillennial absurdity

    Agree. The Premil scenario is as ridiculous and nonsensical as it gets. They turn the thousand years into a pointless time period that would accomplish absolutely nothing. Whatever it was intended to accomplish would clearly fail because the end result would be a number of people "as the sand of...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    2 Peter 3:10 The Big Whoosh

    Where did Peter indicate that what he wrote in 2 Peter 3 was not meant to be taken literally and straightforwardly?
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    2 Peter 3:10 The Big Whoosh

    I don't think you know what the word "consummation" means. It doesn't refer to the beginning of something as you are saying here in relation to the beginning of the day of the Lord. Instead, it refers to the end of something that makes that thing complete. So, the consummation of the day of the...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    2 Peter 3:10 The Big Whoosh

    Peter indicated that the heavens and earth would be burned up upon the arrival of the day of the Lord. You say it begins with the Second Advent and I agree. But, I disagree that it refers to a long period of time as you believe. Why do you have the heavens and earth not being burned up until...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    2 Peter 3:10 The Big Whoosh

    I think you missed his point. I believe what he is getting at is what does the timing of the fulfillment of "His promise" indicate about verses 4, 9 and 13? According to verses 3 and 4 the last days scoffers are scoffing at the promise of the Lord's second coming, right? So, in light of that...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    2 Peter 3:10 The Big Whoosh

    So, when exactly do you believe the entire surface of the earth will be burned up as it relates to the timing of Christ's return?
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    2 Peter 3:10 The Big Whoosh

    I haven't watched it (and don't plan to), but this isn't surprising. Even if they were correct that their is a direct relation between 2 Peter 3:8 and Revelation 20 and that the day of the Lord will last for a thousand years with the fiery destruction Peter described happening at the end of it...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    2 Peter 3:10 The Big Whoosh

    I actually agree that it's not referring to the complete annihilation of the earth. However, I do believe it is referring to the complete destruction (burning up) of the entire surface of the earth. Otherwise, why did Peter compare that event directly to the flood in Noah's day? 2 Peter 3:3...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    25 questions that prove that ancient Chiliasm was a different animal to modern Premil

    Congratulations on misinterpreting all of those scriptures without fail. Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-5 refer specifically to "the last days". According to NT scripture, which you have very little understanding of, the last days had begun already as of the day of Pentecost long ago (see Acts...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    25 questions that prove that ancient Chiliasm was a different animal to modern Premil

    Was my question too difficult? Do you believe Jesus is God? Yes or no? Your reluctance to answer the question straightforwardly is very telling.
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    Paul claimed 3 times that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality.

    Do you agree with Jesus that all of the dead will be raised when the hour He said is coming arrives?
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    Paul claimed 3 times that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality.

    I believe Jesus's bodily resurrection is the first resurrection itself (Acts 26:23, 1 Cor 15:20;23, Col 1:18, Rev 1:5). But, I believe our born again experience is how we spiritually have part in His resurrection (the first resurrection). I would say in terms of what John was writing about in...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    the real danger of Amillism

    This is absolutely false. This is not at all what Paul taught. What you don't seem to understand is that some of those who were blinded in Paul's day ended up being saved. Romans 11:11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their...