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The disciples of Christ would not have remained in Jerusalem forty years after the cross. Before leaving Christ instructed them to remain there until they received power from on high. From the cross to Pentecost was 50 DAYS not years. Before leaving Christ said when they receive the power of...

I believe when Christ spoke of the stones of the buildings and temple being cast down, He was speaking LITERALLY of the PHYSICAL buildings and temple the disciples seemed to be enamored with. These words were literally, physically fulfilled in 70 AD. But when Christ spoke of abomination of...

You must differentiate between the physical temple of Old Covenant Israel and the spiritual Temple of the New Covenant that is both the body and church of Christ. Why did Christ say the physical temple would be destroyed but be speaking of the temple as His body? Matthew 21:12 (KJV) And...

Not true! The coming 'prince' from the Hebrew is נָגִיד nâgîyd. The same Hebrew word also defines 'Messiah the Prince' of vs 25. If 'he' were some ordinary prince in vs 26 it would be translated from the Hebrew שַׂר sar not from נָגִיד nâgîyd. We find this throughout the book of Daniel...

Yes, the Passion Week of Christ had significant repercussions not only on the Old Covenant nation of Israel, but also repercussions upon Gentile & Jew alike throughout all ages. Those repercussions are good for whosoever among mankind shall be eternally saved, or the repercussions are bad for...

Yes, unbiblical Preterit doctrine is spreading like wildfire especially in these forums!

Yes, we all know the Roman Army physically destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD, history tells us this. How does this historical evidence fulfill the prophesy of Daniel within the 490 years' timeframe? Daniel foretells not only of the city and temple being destroyed and Messiah being cut off, he...

Yes, Charlie in the spiritual sense they did. Because the physical city and temple are representative of the true city and temple which are Jerusalem from above, and Christ is the Spiritual Temple. When the apostate Jews polluted the physical city and temple it symbolizes them bringing...

My thoughts are simple Charlie, this view is the typical Premillennialists POV, reading Daniel's prophesy through the lens of 70 AD. IOW you read the destruction of the city and temple in 70 AD INTO Daniel's prophesy, forcing it to fit. Nowhere in Daniel's prophesy do we read of a "coming...

That is not what the texts tells us. If the prince of the people that was to come is the Roman Army under Titus, how is this unknown prince not the same "he shall confirm the covenant"? Where in these verses does Daniel refer back to Messiah the Prince? Da 9:26 And after threescore and two...

Charlie, do you realize this makes an assumption without biblical authority to do so? The city and temple had become desolate before Messiah came. Daniel is only saying the people of the prince that shall come are the ones who make desolate the city and sanctuary, but he does not say the...

I agree the flood indeed had consequential repercussions. It was the flood itself, which, as I said was an overflowing of abomination from the apostate Jews, that led to the utter destruction, just as abomination of the people led to the destruction in the days of Daniel. I believe this is why...

Charlie, I don't find any reason in the prophesy to assume "the people of the prince that shall come" is not the same Messiah the Prince of vs 25. How can this 'prince' be any other than Messiah the Prince! Because it is this prince of the people that shall come that shall confirm (make...

Charlie, I'm attempting to work backwards in reply to your posts. I don't believe the Bible confirms the belief that God gave a meaningful forty-year span between the cross and the destruction to allow a period of time in which the gospel would first be preached in Jerusalem. According to what...

The reason the destruction of the city and temple of Daniel's prophesy cannot be from the Roman Army in 70 AD is because the city and temple did not end with "a flood". If one argues for physical fulfillment in 70 AD, be consistent. If the destruction is physical, then the flood would also be...

Thank you for sharing this Marty, I'm so sorry to hear of your wife's cancer. Will be praying the treatments will accomplish complete healing. Yes, God is sooooo GOOD every day! Keep the faith dear friend and brother in Christ.

Thanks Charlie, I understand. I asked because you are placing part of Daniel's prophesy in 70 AD???

Hi Covenantee, How does that fit with Daniel's prophesy regarding "three score and two weeks" that must be included within the 490 years for the prophesy to be fulfilled as Daniel has written? Daniel puts "Messiah be cut off" with the destruction of the city and temple. Daniel 9:26 (KJV)...

I agree Covenantee! How do you reconcile placing a gap of 30-40 years between the crucifixion and the destruction of the city and temple in 70 AD? If all seventy weeks (490 years) must be fulfilled, and in fact were fulfilled, wouldn't you agree that when the vail of the temple was torn from...

If the prophesy of Daniel 9 is ALL fulfilled within the time of the cross, why does Daniel not also write of this 30 to 40 year delay?