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Where in Scripture do we read "The wrath of God was also a tribulation period for apostate Israel"? Also we aren't talking about many tribulation(s) for people. We are discussing "great tribulation" (not THE) that Christ warned His disciples they would be called to endure as they preach the...

I understand Marty, I once also believed Partial Preterism solved the problems that FP forced into the Bible. As I continued to seek for better understanding I realized PP, trying to solve the problems that come with FP also forces contradiction and confusion into the Word of God. Even here in...

Luke is repeating the same promise of vengeance against the nation they have always been warned of if they forsake God. This should prove to you that the words Christ spoke to "this" particular generation was never exclusively to "that generation". Because every generation coming before them...

Then perhaps you should explain more clearly why you appear to believe Christ was more preoccupied with what would become of the apostate nation of Israel, than He was concerned of what would come against the spiritual Kingdom of God as the Gospel of Christ is proclaimed unto all the nations of...

I hear what you're saying Marty, but I wonder if you hear me? I realize trying to show a Preterit why their doctrine is built upon sand is a waste of time. But, I also see how this unbiblical doctrine is making progress, deceiving many into believing Christ was not consumed with what would...

Do you really believe that Marty? The Old Covenant served a specific purpose; the Law was their tutor to drive them to Christ long before He came. Do you really believe the literal city, and temple would have remained standing to be thought the holy city and temple after Christ, the True...

The problem for the Preterit Marty, is that was not all that had to come to pass in that generation for your doctrine to be true!

Marty, it is not the destruction of the Old Covenant that drives anyone to Christ. Salvation through Christ both of Old and now under the New Covenant has always been by grace through faith. Christ says "YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN" to both Jew and Gentile! Jew and Gentile alike must believe the...

As I've already said Marty, destroying the Old Jewish temple did not prevent apostate unbelieving Jews from observing as many of the Old Covenant Laws possible without the temple. Still today Jews in unbelief continue to keep many of the Old Laws while still waiting for the promised Messiah to...

There is nothing here that I disagree with! You show good spiritual understanding of how God speaks of His congregation/church as His Temple. Also, I'm sure you understand from many verses and passages of God revealing to His people judgments before the physical judgment is poured out. Here...

I agree!

I read what you wrote Marty. It was the cross/resurrection that brought to an end of the physical because that's when the New Covenant through His blood was ushered in. To this day Christ rejecting Jews continue to observe parts of the Old Law even without the temple. The Olivet Discourse is...

Marty, it was not the final physical end of the literal city and temple that brought to end the sacrificial and ceremonial laws of Moses. The Old was brought to an end with the advent of Christ. It was by His birth with the war in heaven, His death and resurrection that salvation came for...

Yes, but that is not all the must be fulfilled in that generation according to Preterits.

When Jesus said that it would be???

Telling His disciples to pray their flight would not be in winter or on the Sabbath is not of concern for the whole world! Christ is speaking this message to HIS DISCIPLES, Christians. Why would disciples of Christ throughout ALL the ages need to SPIRITUALLY understand winter and Sabbath...

While I totally agree that we, the church are living stones, I see Christ's warning to His disciples when He was asked about the literal city, temple, and surrounding buildings. It is my opinion that Christ plainly tells them these literal physical things will be thrown down because these first...

This is why I tried to make a point about Preterits adding "the" or "A" with the mention of great tribulation. Some call themselves Amillennial/Partial Preterit, so they try to find agreement between the two by arguing great tribulation Christ says His disciples will be called to endure as...

Yes, we are in agreement, and I too understand the living waters of Zechariah as the outpouring of the Holy Spirit man receives through hearing and believing the Gospel of the Kingdom of God through the coming of Christ, the promised Messiah foretold of Old. John 4:10 (KJV) Jesus answered...

Yes, Rev 7:14 are saints who have endured "great tribulation" unto death! The Olivet Discourse is directed to the disciples of Christ throughout all ages and makes no mention of apostate Israel, other than to say Israel shall be thrown down and not one stone shall be left standing of the...