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Paul is certainly well-beloved by all of us who love the truth and appreciate all his hard work and what he suffered for the gospel. I had assumed that he was the first who was given a spiritual gift of apostle after the twelve, but like you I'm not dogmatic about that either. Will check out...

ok, I do differ that new covenant prophets are part of the foundation. I take that to mean it was the OT prophets who were foundational, ie, their testimony and prophecies of scripture formed the foundation (along with the 12 apostles, and of course the Cornerstone). There are words that are...

yes, I agree that apostles that come after are not part of the foundation, but could we say that they will be found continuing the work of putting in the (right) foundation where it has not yet been laid...? ...or even re-laying the proper foundation where there has been a straying away from the...

Eternal life has always been by faith. That is what the scriptures teach. The old testament saints who "without us would not be made perfect"...all had faith. As apart from those who didn't have a living relationship with God by faith, but who nevertheless kept the Law. If we learn anything...

Wonderful. And thank you for responding here. I agree, and think in terms of gifting and functioning rather than offices/titles. But do any of you discern apostles among you? (as apart from being church or ministry-appointed) Sometimes we can discern what part of the Body of Christ someone...

This is an example of sowing confusion. It's a technique you often use, which God isn't the author of, so we have to ask what spirit it is of. God is not a teddy bear to anyone and I never said He was. He is not a respecter of persons. Anyone who doesn't submit to the Lamb can expect to have...

Old covenant prophets were until John. But Paul wrote instructions for prophets in the new covenant ekklesia, that they were to take turns and that their prophesying is subject to them, ie, they are able to hold their tongue so that other prophets can have their turn speaking. And I mean I...

Thank you brother. And shalom to you and yours as well.

Sister, I have no idea what you are talking about with regard to your first paragraph. As I said I have not tried to tell you who to talk to or not talk to. We've all been having a conversation with Episkopos here. You have been talking as though God somehow needs justifying for warning and...

Oh, no worries, I didn't even notice it. Nor would I have been offended if I had. :)

When have I ever tried to tell you who to talk to or not talk to? Once again you are taking the teeth and seriousness out of those warnings which were warnings for their GOOD, so that they wouldn't have had to suffer what they ended up suffering if only they had taken the warnings seriously...

Right. And Jesus said "the prophets were until John." So in that sense of the foundation with regard to the original 12 apostles and old covenant paradigm prophets I believe you are right. Though i do believe there are prophets and apostles given to the church today in another sense, not...

Amen, we all do need that. Myself personally, I've also needed to get to the bottom of all this, to learn to discern it clearly and sort out the right from the wrong (and I don't doubt that I'm slower than others and have more difficulty). I believe this is all leading to something that we...

Amen. And this is the second time I've had this little sense that Epi is ashamed of the gospel, and offended by it....it is too 'religious' sounding for him, so he has turned it into a philosophy instead.

ok, I am having trouble keeping up, but now i can speak to some of what Victory said there. The problem is that the church HAS received its salt from Christ, but what happens when we try to neutralize and remove that salt (which is meant for our good), out of His word and out of the church. It...

When people come along and essentially disarm in scripture what God meant for our good, we have to know that isn't the spirit of God. Notice how the salient points that those scriptures are making gets completely ignored and confused/distracted from here by certain people 'one-upping' God...

To be made into new wineskins that hold the new wine. To be made into new creatures, born of the Spirit, created after the image of he who created us. It's necessary to be saved.

Those whose works will be burned up and suffer loss...........will involuntarily lose the reward of their labours because they were building incorrectly, but they themselves will still be saved (it's assuming they truly know Christ). That's all it is saying....it is not talking about the loss...

Let's not overthink things. And let's hope we are only seeing what God wants us to see and knows that we need to see, in any given passage. Because the passage itself tells us what God is intending by it, whether encouragement or rebuke or warning. (Just for an aside, speaking of hope...

God is not the author of confusion, that's all I know, and boy does it get confusing around here. There is also a lot of "snowflakiness" in the church today, just like in society today, where anything "negative" is perceived as being necessarily "bad". When what God wants to do is to raise...