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Yeah well, whoever is building with wood hay and stubble NEEDS to fear the Lord and take warning from Him, for their good and the good fo the church. It's that simple, and God is not the author of confusion.

Think we're complicating and confusing what is simple. The purpose of that passage in 2 Cor 3 was to instruct and warn. I just don't think we should distract from and confuse the purpose of those passages, by feminizing, castrating and rendering impotent what was meant for our good. Why would...

I wasn't referring to you...I don't know what your theology is on needing faith in Christ to be saved. Though I would say that rendering warnings into something "hopeful" might be a way of thinking we know better than the Author of said warnings who inspired them for the purpose of WARNING...

I don't disagree with everything you are saying in principle. But just a point about warnings. Warnings in scripture are spiritual and are for our good when we take them to heart. The passage in 2 Cor 3 is warning of undesirable consequences of building with wood/hay/stubble. If we try to...

Amen. That is what Jesus and the apostles did, they preached Christ and the need to believe on Him to be saved. I can only surmise that some people must believe they know better than Jesus and the apostles.

I just see two different points of instruction being conveyed in the two passages. Sure there are similarities as all truth is cohesive and harmonious, I think as long as that doesn't distract or lead us away from the specific points being conveyed for our edification.

Well I'm concerned when the word of God is not being rightly divided. Of course we count the cost of following Christ and He said it costs everything to follow Him. Nobody is disputing that. Why do you assume it? Because we differ with things that Epi teaches?

Why would Paul need to be saved so as by fire? He wasn't building on the foundation of Christ with wood, hay and stubble, but with imperishable things. See here he is clearly talking about his fleshly advantages before knowing Christ, when he was a well respected Pharisee under the Law and...

Hmmm, do we think Paul the apostle, apprehended and chosen of God, who laboured more than all the other apostles, and who wrote most of the new testament epistles...was building on the foundation of Christ with wood, hay and stubble? The wood, hay, stubble passage doesn't apply to Paul. In...

Need to be careful of always assuming that the same or similar words and phrases are referring to the same thing. "If any man's work be burned..." is talking about believers. We know that because of the context....of building on the foundation of Christ....except if the work be burned up they...

If we love the Lord we are on the Way to where He is, which is the narrow Way of the cross. Who cares what Lizbeth says? It's what God says that matters: 1Co 3:10-16 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another...

Because they were people of FAITH and thus were seeking what is heavenly, not what is earthly. The city and true land of promise that is ABOVE. The kingdom that didn't really come until Jesus died and rose again. And we who follow Christ are sojourners, strangers and pilgrims as they were...

Yes, beware that new age spirit that Spurgeon warned was coming to infiltrate the church.....it's one slippery eel and doesn't really care how it deceives, and morphs into whatever works for it....hence there are so many false religions and forms of idolatry. Father of lies and webs and snares...

Oh my. We are always seeking to do better and to walk as Jesus walked but do it in such a way that doesn't dig out the foundation which is the only means by which anyone can grow and walk as He walked.

I agree. When we speak the truth around here we get called all kinds of hateful, dismissive and belittling things, but that doesn't bother his followers who say we are the ones who hate for just saying what the bible says.

Well we fear the Lord since JESUS told us to. To fear He who can destroy both body and soul in hell. God hiding His treasure in our earthen vessels...reminds me of Elijah dousing the altar not just once but two times with a lot of water, and still it couldn't thwart the fire from heaven...

It's the Lord who tells us to test all things. How on earth does one confuse obeying that word with hatred if they are following the Lord?

Those who belong to Christ ARE bearing fruit, everyone according to our measure of grace and faith, as long as we are being obedient and following Him. And He is working to prune our fruitful branches so that they become even more fruitful. As well as pruning away the unfruitful branches. And...

Speaking of false covering...that is the veil that the cross tore in half. We all followed the same pattern as Adam and Eve in the Garden when we first sinned and fell.....we put on a false covering of pride (aprons of fig leaves, kind of a false persona) to cover the shame and fear that came...

Amen! And I believe the veil being torn is speaking of a two-way accomplishment of the cross, since we are also His temple. The veil over our hearts has been torn asunder, circumcising our hearts, which allowed Christ access to the throne and inner sanctum of our hearts, so to speak, and also...