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Correct! Security is conditional. It's conditional on following the teachings of Jesus. Matthew 7:46 46 "Why do you call Me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?

Great post MatthewG! Some Christians fight this all the way.... I've always wondered why. If they don't believe in sinning.....why fear losing salvation? Maybe it's just nice to feel secure WHILE one is sinning? And being disobedient to God. Having to debate the necessity of obedience to God...

No scripture. No conversation. You believe in OSAS? Jesus, Paul and the other writers did not. The following scripture shows that OSAS is not a biblical teaching: Colossians 1:21-23 21 And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, 22 yet He has now...

There's a big difference. You just haven't looked into it. OSAS means that a person could sin all he wants to after having become a believer because he somehow thinks that once a person is saved they could never lose that salvation. If this were true,,, no warnings in the NT would have been...

Did you learn the difference between OSAS and eternal security? When you do we could discuss.

I'll only reply if you use scripture. Your personal belief system is of no value.

Pandaflower... If you want to discuss theology,,, then that's what you should do. Please post scripture to support your view that it is not necessary to obey God or that it is impossible to lose our salvation. What I post is NOT by belief because I post scripture to support what I've been...

I don't see any scripture so I won't respond. It's up to YOU to support your view... it's not up to ME. Then why do you keep bringing up verses that are referring to THE LAW?? And do you notice that Ephesians 2:10 states that we are SAVED FOR GOOD WORKS? Your posts sound like you missed this...

Hi Kokyu I see you found some versions that use the word SHOULD for Romans 7:4. Incredible, isn't it? We could make the bible state whatever we want it to state.... So, do you believe that by using the word SHOULD, which is an old English way of saying that we must, Paul is giving us a choice...

Agreed. This partly you speak of could be discussed. I don't believe we are to give up all worldly things that we might enjoy doing. They are not a sin unto themselves.... It's the same as what Jesus said about money... the LOVE of money is the sin...not the money itself. I could enjoy...

I belong to the loss of salvation gang. Which gang do YOU belong to? The one that states that if we walk down an isle and become saved at some point in our lives, we will be saved forever even if we return to a life of sin? Yes. §This is what OSAS teaches. Jesus stated we could become lost...

You're going to have to post some verses that state that salvation cannot be lost through disobedience or through the falling away from faith. Paul said that some will FALL AWAY from the faith. If we fall away from the faith... do we still have the faith? If we do not have faith... are we...

Pandaflower.... What should we do.... quote the entire NT every time we wish to make a point? This is the Theology Forum. I was trained to give biblical support for what I state. I do this. This is not posting "snippets". This is posting verses that support the position that Jesus and Paul...

Wouldn't you say that your above post proves my point?! Some live a life of sin and believe they're Christian. Don't you believe it's a good idea to state, without hesitation, that this is not true? This is due to the belief of OSAS. Please learn what it means before you speak for it. I...

Of course it's not a teaching sustained by Christ!! Do you understand what OSAS teaches? We cannot make up our own definitions of words. OSAS supporters will plainly state that a person can sin, even blaspheme God, and still be saved. Perhaps if you accepted this definition of OSAS you might...

Been gone a few days... Don't know if @ProDeo has responded to the above.... BUT Could you please explain the difference between WORKS OF THE LAW and GOOD WORKS. It seems to me that you bunch the two together and they are TOTALLY different. The Works of the Law have been abolished for 2000...

Where does Romans 7:4 use the word SHOULD?? Romans 7.4 NASB 4 Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. CBE 4 Therefore, my...

No marks. If we need to PURIFY OURSELVES... It means that WE are to make OURSELVES pure and holy. God is NOT forcing this upon us. And It means this is NECESSARY for salvation. 1 John 3:3 3And everyone who thus hopes in Him purifies himself as He is pure. 1 Peter 1:22 22Having purified your...

marks... YOU said that the bible states that we are permanent children of God. So it's up to YOU to provide the scripture that states this. You won't be able to because Jesus Himself stated that we can become lost. Luke 15:24 24 for this son of mine was dead and has come to life again; he was...

Of course. Everything we do is by the power of the Holy Spirit. But, according to some,,,we're either doing EVERYTHING by ourselves, through our own strength or We're doing everything through God as if He forces us. Which is a really dangerous position to take because if it's GOD that MAKES US...