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YHWH (Adonai) is the God and Father of Jesus (adoni. It was neither YHWH nor Jesus who met with Abraham under the oak tree. It was, however, someone who is adoni.

Even a trinitarian who believes this is a pre-incarnate appearance of Jesus should be able to see that this is an example of the concept of agency. Trinitarian commentary is filled with this reasoning.

Moses acted as an agent of YHWH. So does Jesus.

“God gave a revelation to Jesus” is NOT God gave a revelation to God.

You don’t have to believe Jesus is the new Moses. I believe he is. Tons of trinitarian scholars believe he is. You aren’t going to be persuaded by me. You aren’t going to be persuaded by them. Agency is such a common concept in scripture that I find it astonishing that anyone is able to read...

“Jesus as the New Moses in Matthew” by Ian W. Scott (Tyndale Seminary) Jesus as the New Moses in Matthew

It wasn’t YHWH. YHWH is the God of Jesus and Abraham. It was an angel acting as YHWH’ agent / representative. I’m absolutely deluging this thread with information, primarily from trinitarian sources, on the concept of agency in scripture.

“The Law was given by the agency of a mediator.” Galatians 3:19-22 OT. The agency of a mediator? *Thinking NT now. Thinking Jesus, the new Moses, now *

From Bible Hub. Topical Bible, entry on “Agency”. Topical Bible: Agency

A search on the internet pulled up copious amounts of documents on the concept of agency in scripture. As an example, this paper published by Southern Adventist University: “Teaching the Gospel from Agency Theory in the Bible” written by Michael E. Cafferky...

Thanks. No, it didn’t warm my heart. When you said I sound like Saul before he became Paul it chilled my heart. The positive for me is that Saul / Paul is a Jewish monotheist and, as such, agency is commonplace in his thinking.

Moses is a type of Jesus. Do you believe that?

God made Moses God to Pharaoh. Every time Moses speaks to Pharaoh, Pharaoh is seeing and hearing God in Moses. That’s what agency is. That’s what agency looks and sounds like.

The same way man could have.

No. Just because it’s possible doesn’t in and of itself mean that it happened. My first goal was to see if we could agree that it is possible. If it isn’t possible then there’s no value in pursuing it. So do I. What I see in the Bible are many examples of agency. Trinitarian scholars see it...

“Then the LORD said to Moses, ‘See, I make you as God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet.’” (Exodus 7:1, NASB) “And the Lord said to Moses: Behold I have appointed thee the God of Pharao: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.” (Douala-Rheims) “And the LORD said...

@marks we’re discussing human beings and sin, but there is a related issue: angels. Do you believe that there are angels who have never sinned? Do you believe there are angels who have sinned? If so, how can angels be sinless?

@marks I’m confident that you believe this statement made by Jesus: “For all all things are possible with God” (Mark 10:27). I’m taking it out of context here (always a dangerous thing to do) to ask you this: Isn’t it possible that the God whom Jesus was speaking about acts through the law, or...

Moses is the classic, but certainly not the only, OT example. God made him [as] God to Pharaoh. I’m giving you here a link to an entire document devoted to the subject, complete with multiple examples from scripture - OT and NT. “‘Shaliah’: An Introduction to the Law of Agency” written by...

Jesus didn’t sin because he was perfectly obedient to his God. There are exceptions. Adam was an exception, for some period of time. Jesus is an exception, from the beginning of his life. Logic tells me that Jesus is a sinless human person.