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  1. Matthias

    Does John 1:1 say Jesus is God

    o_O Fortunately for me, trinitarian scholarship knows better.
  2. Matthias

    Does John 1:1 say Jesus is God

    At best, that would make Jesus a demigod; God, Jr. If by “traditional Christianity” you mean “trinitarianism,” I think it is very mistaken. It places the begetting of Jesus prior to the creation of the heavens and the earth, as it must, and denies that it has anything to do with...
  3. Matthias

    Does John 1:1 say Jesus is God

    That’s what the early Church Fathers did. That’s how we got from the Jewish unitary monotheism of Israel / Jesus to the trinitarianism of the Church.
  4. Matthias

    Does John 1:1 say Jesus is God

    Excellent. Is the radio program you were listening to a local, regional or national program? Do you remember who the host was? I would have asked him about Jewish monotheism, but Jewish monotheism is unrelated to trinitarianism. I imagine the host would have pointed that out. Trinitarians...
  5. Matthias

    Does John 1:1 say Jesus is God

    “Jesus is God’s descendant” = Jesus isn’t his ancestor, God. That aside, who else, if anyone, would you say “has a legitimate place in God’s genealogy”?
  6. Matthias

    Does John 1:1 say Jesus is God

    The Bible isn’t written in a deceptive fashion. The Bible is written in Jewish fashion. If it’s not read in the fashion that it’s written then a different understanding is taken from it. That’s Dr. Moen’s point (post#262).
  7. Matthias

    Genesis : Trinity

    It is your teaching. If it was the truth from God it would agree with the Messiah’s belief and teaching; it would be in agreement with the Messiah’s identification of who his God and the God of his disciples is. Your teaching doesn’t do that. That’s why I call your teaching error and reject it...
  8. Matthias

    Did Christians invent the Trinity-2

    There is a very close connection in scripture between mind and spirit. God is only one person, the Father. His spirit is the operation of his mind. He projects his mind, his spirit, his presence, his power, just like we - who are made in his image - do.
  9. Matthias

    Does John 1:1 say Jesus is God

    I was once where you are now. Your deity is the Trinity. The Messiah’s deity is the Father, and none other. My deity is the Father, and none other. I’ve shown you how Jewish monotheism aligns with the Messiah, himeself a Jewish monotheist. You’ve taken a different approach and the...
  10. Matthias

    Did Christians invent the Trinity-2

    The Holy Spirit is the Father’s spirit. The Father is literally God. The Son is figuratively God. The Holy Spirt is God’s operational presence and power, and it is extended to believers by the Son of God.
  11. Matthias

    Did Christians invent the Trinity-2

    Your spirit is you. My spirit is me. The Holy Spirit is God.
  12. Matthias

    Did Christians invent the Trinity-2

    My unitarian belief about the Holy Spirit hasn’t changed since the last time we discussed it. Have you ever asked one of the binitarians what their belief is concerning the Holy Spirit? I have. Some of them have told me they believe the Holy Spirit is an impersonal force; some have told me they...
  13. Matthias

    Does John 1:1 say Jesus is God

    That’s all that I could reasonably ask for at this time. It puts you miles ahead of others. I remain a Jewish monotheist; you remain a trinitarian. And there is peace in our valley. Unless something has changed that I’m unaware of, you and I still agree that Jesus (the Son) was sent by Yahweh...
  14. Matthias

    Does John 1:1 say Jesus is God

    I believe the angel of the Lord is a prime example of agency. Trinitarian commentators often say that the angel of the Lord sometimes sounds like an angel but at other times as if God himself. They’re right about that. I believe the angel of the Lord is in fact an angel representing God, acting...
  15. Matthias

    Does John 1:1 say Jesus is God

    I think it does. The concept of agency is expressed in the Hebrew word shaliah; in the Greek word apostolos. In English the concept is expressed in the words sending and sent. This is why I say that when I see and hear Jesus, I see the one who sent him, God.
  16. Matthias

    Does John 1:1 say Jesus is God

    I would especially like for you to see this @RLT63. If you have any desire to really understand where I’m coming from - as I believe that you do - to understand why I believe what I believe, then this article will be very helpful in providing you with that insight. I’m not asking you to agree...
  17. Matthias

    Does John 1:1 say Jesus is God

    Another example of the concept of agency in scripture. The same event is described in Matthew 8:5-13; Luke 7:1-10. Is this a contradiction in scripture? No. So who made the request? Was it the centurion, as Matthew writes? Or was it the slave of the centurion, as Luke writes? It was the...
  18. Matthias

    Does John 1:1 say Jesus is God

    The same event is described in Matthew 20:20-28 and Mark 10:35-45. Is this a contradiction in scripture? No. So who made the request? Was it the mother of James and John, as Matthew writes? Or was it James and John themselves, as Mark writes? It was the mother of James and John, not James and...
  19. Matthias

    Does John 1:1 say Jesus is God

    Jesus is the prophet like Moses whom YHWH said he would raise up from among the people. YHWH would put his words in that prophet’s mouth to speak. Jesus, the prophet like Moses, said that the words he spoke weren’t his own. They were the words which YHWH - the God and Father of Jesus - put in...
  20. Matthias

    Does John 1:1 say Jesus is God

    Scripture is dripping with it. All we have to do in order to see it is read scripture with the concept of agency in mind.