1 Corinthians 2 is so abused

[amadeus]

@amadeus you?

at least if he held that belief i don't recall him focusing on it much

Sorry you will have to help me out on that one. I have no idea what DMA is. My internet search yielded nothing immediately helpful.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Sorry you will have to help me out on that one. I have no idea what DMA is. My internet search yielded nothing immediately helpful.

My guess is he will tell you to seek and you will find.

 

[amadeus]

i consider that a compliment ;)
Coat of many colors

Which one was a compliment? There were at least two. One was worn by Joseph the son of Jacob [Gen 37:3] while the other was worn by Tamar the raped daughter of King David [II Sam 13:18]. Can you see a connection between the two?

 

[amadeus]

My guess is he will tell you to seek and you will find.

Sometimes maybe that is what we need to do. But... maybe he'll have mercy on me this time.

 

[Earburner]

Really, what is nonsense is that link you provided. He tried to delegate the meaning of the word Christ to a mere mortal priest that is anointed. Prophets were anointed, kings were anointed, priests were anointed, but none... of them were The Christ, or Messiah. If God's Word makes no distinction by that phrase, then it is like saying Jesus is not God The Son, and has no power to forgive sins.

Many no doubt have been duped by that idiot in that article with his dissing our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. The reason he did that dissing was to prepare the duped into believing the lie that God's Word doesn't point to a singular Antichrist figure. It does, and in several Scriptures. This is why the early Church fathers also looked for the coming a singular Antichrist figure.

The ultimate deceiver pushing the doctrine that there is no singular Antichrist is the devil himself. That because he is going to be that singular Antichrist figure that is prophesied to come in our earthly dimension at the end of this world. And our Lord Jesus warned us about it...

Rev 12:7-12
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
KJV

Davy wrote:
"Many no doubt have been duped by that idiot in that article with his dissing our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. The reason he did that dissing was to prepare the duped into believing the lie that God's Word doesn't point to a singular Antichrist figure. It does, and in several Scriptures. This is why the early Church fathers also looked for the coming a singular Antichrist figure."
> Wrong!
I provided the answers to prove through scripture that Judas Iscariot was not the only "son of perdition", proving even more so, the plurality of 2 Thes. 2:8.
But you can't get beyond your bogus mantra of your " boy", "THE" Antichrist, to come.
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Why don't you go look in 1&2 John KJV and find what "IT" is, that already was in the world, and that "IT" should come.
The books of 1&2 John speaks about "that spirit of antichrist", yet you won't flip the pages to study it and prove it for yourself.
1 John 4[3] And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that IT should come; and even now already is it in the world.
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The word "IT" is referencing "that spirit of antichrist" and nothing else of your fabrication, in the singular!!

I think even Stephen King, the author of the horror story: "IT", has better understanding than you do.

 

[bbyrd009]

ya...when you personify spirits you don't hafta be satan I guess?
But you also cant be a christ then I guess

Sorry you will have to help me out on that one. I have no idea what DMA is. My internet search yielded nothing immediately helpful.

ah, being lazy, Death, More Abundantly :)

I might be totally wrong there, but imo I get the impression if one started the "I'll fly away" jazz he would be looking for an exit pretty quick!

 

[bbyrd009]

Which one was a compliment? There were at least two. One was worn by Joseph the son of Jacob [Gen 37:3] while the other was worn by Tamar the raped daughter of King David [II Sam 13:18]. Can you see a connection between the two?

yes, i've done both i guess. I mean i was a Mithraist myself, for many years...who Tamar reps should be fairly easy to agree on?

 

[bbyrd009]

My guess is he will tell you to seek and you will find.

wasn't cause i didnt wanna, or being coy or anything, ok. The links will get you there, better to found them yourself i guess

 

[bbyrd009]

Sometimes maybe that is what we need to do. But... maybe he'll have mercy on me this time.

tbh I figured it would read better coming from you :)
we covered them a year or so ago, didn't we? You and I?

 

[bbyrd009]

1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

ha maybe not the best xlation

 

[bbyrd009]

yes, i've done both i guess. I mean i was a Mithraist myself, for many years...who Tamar reps should be fairly easy to agree on?

The amazing name Tamar: meaning and etymology

 

[CNKW3]

I guess that would depend on how you interpret the word vessel- yes Pauls encounter was miraculous, and yes, he was used in a certain way. However vessel means ' instrument ' and if you are honestly saying that you do not believe that anyone since that times has not been transformed in a miraculous way by encountering Christ, and the used as a instrument in serving the Lord, then I would have to say I do not agree with you.
Which is fine , you enabled me to see a bigger picture of what you believe by your answer. I will just leave it there thank you x
I do see how Pauls conversions was unique , in so much as he did encounter Jesus in a personal and dramatic way.( in my earlier post I wrote Holy Spirit instead of Jesus) I am obviously one of the believers that does believe in recieving the Holy Spirit, so it's pretty obvious that we are not going to agree. I think it just bothered me that you claimed the promise was just for those in the upper room, Paul was equally guided and led by the Holy Spirit , as many others were, and yet they were not in the upper room. That was the main point of my post.
Rita

No I do not believe we are transformed in a miraculous way by Christ. Paul is clear that it is through preaching that we are changed. 2 Cor 4 tells us that Gods message is in earthen vessels. So, yes we even today are vessels for Christ. The difference is Paul was a specific CHOSEN vessel hand picked by Christ. We have not been chosen that way.

Jn 13-16 is clearly Jesus and the 12, there was nobody else present. A little later we find Jesus and the eleven in acts 1..
Acts 1:4-5 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
This was spoken directly to the apostles. This promise is not for you and me. We are not to remain in Jerusalem. Hope you are able to see this.
The promise we see in Mk 16:17-20 and acts 2:16-20 was for members of the early church before the NT had been recorded.
Do we receive the Spirit today? Yes through the word he has left us. And as earthen vessels we Cary this message to others.

How do you receive the HS? What does the HS do for you?

 

[CNKW3]

Actually, you missed the whole point of God's Righteousness. God's Righteousness IS HIMSELF, who was Jesus, being God IN THE FLESH!
Jesus Himself IS THE Gospel! He is God's GIFT to the world!!
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Mat. 5:19-20
I challenge all to tell me how it is that the least and great are in the KoH/KoG together, but none do answer correctly!
The answer is found in verse 20.

The righteousness of God is the way in which God goes about to make man righteous. The gospel today is where we find the righteousness of God. Ro 1:16,17

Romans 10:1-3 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Was the nation of Israel ignorant about God being a righteous God? No. They knew who God was. They were ignorant of Gods law Gods requirements. They went about to establish their own way. They didn’t follow after Gods way.
Ps 119:172 says that all of God’s commandments are righteousness.

 

[CNKW3]

Do see what you are saying for example Luke 5:10-11 And so was also James, and John, the sons of Zebedee, which were partners with Simon. And Jesus said unto Simon, Fear not; from henceforth thou shalt catch men. [11] And when they had brought their ships to land, they forsook all, and followed him.

Yet this is also what I’m trying to share with you. There is natural ability in these fishermen caught fish. Then there is the Spiritual God given ability in “hereforth you shall catch men.” Not to advance or prosper the natural man but the spiritual body “they forsook all, and followed him.”

In attributing spiritual gifts to the natural and not to God is as one quoted above: to deny the power of God. To catch literal fish is within man’s abilities. The impossible of to catch men of the supernatural power of God you seem to deny in insisting it is of the natural man. Jesus Christ telling them to cast on the right side and therefore their nets were filled...had nothing to do with catching fish but “hereforth you shall catch men.”
The insisting it is natural and not spiritual gifts and spiritual fruit given by God is to deny the power and to claim it is within natural man’s ability which it is not. It is the difference between going fishing for literal fish. Or “they forsook all, and followed him.” “Hereforth you shall catch men.”One is within man’s ability. One is within God’s power. You seem to be denying one in favour of another.

God catches men today through earthen vessels. 2 Cor 4.
It is through preaching the gospel that people come to God. In Rom 10 Paul says...how can you believe unless you’ve heard the word and how can you hear unless someone preaches.

1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Paul says “the power” lies in the preaching. No one comes to God without the word.

1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
God saves or God catches men through preaching. It is not by some mysterious HS intervention.
In 1 Cor 1 Paul states how he planted, Apollos watered but God gives the increase. All we can do is spread the word, we can’t save anybody. It is Gods plan that saves. We are nothing, just a vessel to carry Gods message of salvation. Do we get the glory? No it belongs to God.

 

[CNKW3]

Useless statement.

Maybe you aren’t

 

[CNKW3]

Irrelevant. All this began by my countering your false belief that those in Christ no longer receive The Holy Spirit. I showed from Mark 13 how you are wrong on that, which was not a discussion of signs of the end. YOU... wandered off into that and left the discussion about The Holy Spirit. I suspect you do a lot of wandering off when you're proven wrong.

You started off with MK 13:11. You took vs 11 completely out of context. So, I showed you what the proper context of the passage was. That passage was not directed to you and me.
This is how 90% of “Christianity” uses the Bible. You go to one or two verses that says something you like, you don’t even consider the context, then you start spouting how wrong everybody is when they show you the truth. You don’t care about anything except your own man made doctrine. You don’t care to learn what the Bible actually says.

 

[CNKW3]

No where does it say that the written scriptures are the Word of God.

All I need is your quote above..
I will show you where you are wrong but it won’t matter to you. Once I do the rest of your post can then be throne out the window.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Given by inspiration literally means. “God breathed”. All scripture was breathed out by God. So, you are wrong but you don’t care.

Also, I can prove that you don’t have the Spirit and are not Spiritual.
1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
Paul said the things that he WROTE, WROTE were the commandments of the Lord. What does that mean? The written form we have is THE WORD OF GOD. But you don’t care. You deny it therefore you are not spiritual.

Just like you said you are right and nothing I can show you will matter.

 

[CNKW3]

@CNKW3



Is he now? And of course, David was not anointed by God when he spoke to Solomon about this thing of perfection, right?

"And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever." I Chron 28:9

1 chron 28 has nothing to do with 1 Cor 13. But that doesn’t really matter now does it. Just post whatever you want as if it proves something.

And if anyone has any doubts, I would guess they could always ask you, right? The Apostle Paul was, himself, seeing still as through a "glass darkly", because he did not have the gift of the Holy Ghost and had not yet been led into all truth, but @CNKW3 must have already moved beyond Paul...

Yes, those in the first century only new in part. They had gifts of the Spirit because they did not have the total revealed will of God. If we want to know something today we can just look it up. Paul wrote to the Ephesians about a mystery in chapter 3. The Ephesians had gifts of the Spirit, why didn’t they know? Because revelation was still taking place. They knew in part but not in the whole. We do.

I am afraid you'll never see such a demonstration due to your own expressed lack of faith. For this reason also I will give you no examples. This then I would guess puts you in the same camp as these Pharisees:

"Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.

But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:" Matt 12:38-39

If you have the sign of Jonas, that is at least something on which to build. Edification is important, is it not?

Yes, but the Pharisees did witness miracle after miracle. You nor anybody else I have ever been around can demonstrate any “gift” of the Spirit. I told you. I don’t need a sign to believe in Jesus. I already have all I need through his word. I do need a sign from you because you and others claim that you have them.

The Israelites did it... and so can we for our God is no respecter of persons:

"Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel." Psalm 78:41

The Apostle Paul warned us not to limit Him here:

"Quench not the Spirit." I Thess 5:19

Any time a person chooses mammon rather than God He is limiting what God can do in that man's life. Any time you or anyone says that God does not do that or work that way anymore, you are limiting God.

I never said it, God did.
1 Corinthians 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
God is the one that said he would stop operating in a certain way. So don’t put that on me. You deal with it yourself.

 

[CNKW3]

must be? Are you sure? Would you bet your life on it? Bc you are wrong again! no offense
are you fam with Snoop Dogg, bac?

interesting the way the passage is written as if in contrast, but actually comparing though, huh? Or at least that is the sense i get after spending the day with it. Apparently the effect is much more marked in Aramaic, not that i would know

Once again, the point is there are two subjects in mind in each one of these sentences.
The WE and the YOU.
The WE is not the YOU and the YOU is not the WE.
He said WE are ambassadors and then mentioned the YOU. So, the WE is not the YOU. They are two separate subjects.
If I were to say to you.....hey we are going to the movies do YOU want to come. You would understand that there are two subjects in mind. The one group who is going and then you who may or may not go. It’s not very difficult.

 

[Earburner]

Davy wrote:
"Many no doubt have been duped by that idiot in that article with his dissing our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. The reason he did that dissing was to prepare the duped into believing the lie that God's Word doesn't point to a singular Antichrist figure. It does, and in several Scriptures.
This is why the early Church fathers also looked for the coming a singular Antichrist figure."
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EB's Reply:
Listen closely to what John said in 1 John 4
[3] And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is IT in the world.

Now read the above, in conjunction with what Jesus said in Rev. 1[1] The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
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> That "strong delusion, to believe a lie",
was "already in the world", which is including the time of "the early Church fathers".
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Why did God send "the wicked" strong delusion, to believe a lie??
2 Thes. 2:11....because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
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[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
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What are are some of those delusions, of "that spirit of antichrist" ?
1. The Theory of Evolution.
2. The goal to achieve "World Peace".
3. Man was given an Eternal Soul.
4. "Save The Planet".
5. A One World Religion (see item #4)
6. Man himself is God.
7. The belief of a singular One World ruler, called "THE" Antichrist.
8. There are many paths to God.
9. New Age spiritism.