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Is there a statue to Dr. Scott Hahn? If so, maybe you should pray to his statue and ask him why he abandoned the truth.

One person being seduced doesn't mean anything. How many Catholics have left your denomination?

BTW, what do you think of the sexual abuse of children by your priests?
 

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I suppose there are so many Protestant denominations because everyone is allowed to personally interpret Scripture according to his/her own whim.

The CC, which is the "Cult of Mary", as designated so, in about 5AD.

Look how far they've come.
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Feast Days of Mary​



January 1Solemnity of Mary, Mother of God *
January 8Our Lady of Prompt Succor
February 2Presentation of the Lord
February 11Our Lady of Lourdes
March 25Annunciation
May 13Our Lady of Fatima
May 31Visitation
June 27Our Mother of Perpetual Help
July 16Our Lady of Mount Carmel
August 15Assumption *
August 22Queenship of Mary
September 8Birth of Mary
September 12The Most Holy Name of Mary
September 15Our Lady of Sorrows
October 7Our Lady of the Rosary
November 21Presentation of the Blessed Virgin Mary
December 8Immaculate Conception *
December 12Our Lady of Guadalupe
* Holy day of Obligation



The Month of Mary is May.
The Month of the Rosary is October.
The Feast of the Immaculate Heart is the Saturday following the Second Sunday after Pentecost.
The First Saturday of each Month is also dedicated to Marian Devotions.

And, here is the largest known Mary.
She's a big girl.
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The CC, which is the "Cult of Mary", as designated so, in about 5AD.

Look how far they've come.
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Feast Days of Mary​



January 1Solemnity of Mary, Mother of God *
January 8Our Lady of Prompt Succor
February 2Presentation of the Lord
February 11Our Lady of Lourdes
March 25Annunciation
May 13Our Lady of Fatima
May 31Visitation
June 27Our Mother of Perpetual Help
July 16Our Lady of Mount Carmel
August 15Assumption *
August 22Queenship of Mary
September 8Birth of Mary
September 12The Most Holy Name of Mary
September 15Our Lady of Sorrows
October 7Our Lady of the Rosary
November 21Presentation of the Blessed Virgin Mary
December 8Immaculate Conception *
December 12Our Lady of Guadalupe
* Holy day of Obligation



The Month of Mary is May.
The Month of the Rosary is October.
The Feast of the Immaculate Heart is the Saturday following the Second Sunday after Pentecost.
The First Saturday of each Month is also dedicated to Marian Devotions.

And, here is the largest known Mary.
She's a big girl.
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So, you have something against the Bible?

Questions to spark you to think...

1. Are we to immitate Jesus as much as possible? (I say, "Yes!")
2. Did Jesus ever disobey any of the Commandments? (I say, "No!")
3. So, Jesus obeyed the Commandment to "Honor thy father and mother." Right?

Mary is not God, and we do not worship (Latin latria) her. The Catholic Church forbids and condemns that.

But, like Jesus, we honor (Latin dulia) her.
 

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Mary worship is not "the bible".

Try again., Augustine.
Again, Catholics are forbidden from "worshiping" Mary. It is against Catholic teaching.

You need a lesson on what "worship" is. You can't just make it up like the leftists in our country make up new meanings for whatever word they want, like "marriage."
 

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Again, Catholics are forbidden from "worshiping" Mary. It is against Catholic teaching.

And one more for you.

The verse says...>"Blessed are't tho Mary, among women"......not "Above women"... as the "cult of Mary" believes and teaches.

Understand, Augustie56 ????
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Again, Catholics are forbidden from "worshiping" Mary. It is against Catholic teaching.

You need a lesson on what "worship" is. You can't just make it up like the leftists in our country make up new meanings for whatever word they want, like "marriage."
LOL!!! Catholics clearly worship Mary. They revere her, build statues to her, adore her, falsely claim that she is "ever virgin", pray to her to intercede for her Son, and more. If that isn't worship, then what is?

And the off-subject comment about "leftists" shows your bias about reality.
 

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For all mankind? Where do you read or have been taught that?

My Bible tells me that Jesus shall save His people from their sins (Matthew 1:21), NEVER for all mankind as you claim.

Imagine if Jesus saved all mankind there will never be anyone go to hell, but Scripture teaches that hell will heavily be populated!

To God Be The Glory
1 Corinthians 15:[20] But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. [21] For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. [22] For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Yes Christ died for all that he might resurrect them all.

Daniel 12:2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt.

But does he forgive all? Perhaps not.
 

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1 Corinthians 15:[20] But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. [21] For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. [22] For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
The first word "all" in 1 Corinthians 15:22 does mean "each and every" however; the second word "all" cannot mean the same. Why? BECAUSE the Bible insists and declares that hell will heavily be populated. In fact, the number of percentage that will go to hell is 2/3 of the total population of the world.

The second word "all" however, refers to the totality of all those who are "in Christ."

Read 1 Corinthians 15:22 in its' context, very carefully!

To God Be The Glory
 

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The first word "all" in 1 Corinthians 15:22 does mean "each and every" however; the second word "all" cannot mean the same. Why? BECAUSE the Bible insists and declares that hell will heavily be populated. In fact, the number of percentage that will go to hell is 2/3 of the total population of the world.

The second word "all" refers to the totality of all those who are "in Christ."

Read 1 Corinthians 15:22 in its' context, very carefully!

To God Be The Glory
That doesn't make any sense to me at all. I can read and understand scripture perfectly fine I assure you.
 

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That doesn't make any sense to me at all.
Let's take it to its' logical conclusion! God, gave us an example as to the meaning of the word "all" in Luke 2:1 which reads:
"And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that "all" the world should be taxed."

China and other countries already existed in those days. Does it mean that those countries should also be taxed? NO!!! Only those countries that Rome has conquered in that day.
I can read and understand scripture perfectly fine I assure you.
You may, but most people read the Bible like it's an ordinary, instead of a spiritual book, and most of all do not study God's word.

To God Be The Glory
 

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Your Pope didn't get that memo.
You should update Him.
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LOL!!! Catholics clearly worship Mary. They revere her, build statues to her, adore her, falsely claim that she is "ever virgin", pray to her to intercede for her Son, and more. If that isn't worship, then what is?

And the off-subject comment about "leftists" shows your bias about reality.
Part 1: The word “worship” has undergone a change in meaning in English. It comes from the Old English weorthscipe, which means the condition of being worthy of honor, respect, or dignity. To worship in the older, larger sense is to ascribe honor, worth, or excellence to someone, whether a sage, a magistrate, or God.
For many centuries, the term worship simply meant showing respect or honor, and an example of this usage survives in contemporary English. British subjects refer to their magistrates as “Your Worship,” although Americans would say “Your Honor.” This doesn’t mean that British subjects worship their magistrates as gods; it means they are giving them the honor appropriate to their office, not the honor appropriate to God.
Outside of this example, however, the English term “worship” has been narrowed in scope to indicate only that supreme form of honor, reverence, and respect that is due to God. This can lead to confusion, when people who are familiar only with the use of words in their own day and their own circles encounter material written in other times and other places.
In Scripture, the term “worship” was similarly broad in meaning, but in the early Christian centuries, theologians began to differentiate between different types of honor in order to make more clear which is due to God and which is not.
As the terminology of Christian theology developed, the Greek term latria came to be used to refer to the honor that is due to God alone, and the term dulia came to refer to the honor that is due to human beings, especially the saints. Scripture indicates that honor is due to these individuals (Matt. 10:41b). A special term was coined to refer to the special honor given to the Virgin Mary, who bore Jesus—God in the flesh—in her womb. This term, hyperdulia (huper [more than]+ dulia = “beyond dulia”), indicates that the honor due to her as Christ’s own Mother is more than the dulia given to other saints. It is greater in degree, but since Mary is a finite creature, the honor she is due is fundamentally different from the latria owed to the infinite Creator.
Another attempt to make clear the difference between the honor due to God and that due to humans has been to use the words adore and adoration to describe the total, consuming reverence due to God and the terms venerate, veneration, and honor to refer to the respect due humans. Thus, Catholics sometimes say, “We adore God but we honor his saints.”
Unfortunately, many non-Catholics appear unable or unwilling to recognize these distinctions. They confidently assert that Catholics “worship” Mary and the saints, and, in so doing, commit idolatry. This is patently false, but the education in anti-Catholic prejudice is so strong that one must patiently explain that Catholics do not worship anyone but God—at least given the contemporary use of the term. The Church is very strict about the fact that latria, adoration—what contemporary English speakers call “worship”—is to be given only to God.
Many non-Catholics may even go further. Wanting to attack the veneration of the saints, they may declare that only God should be honored.
This is in direct contradiction to the language and precepts of the Bible. The term “worship” was used in the same way in the Bible that it used to be used in English. It could cover both the adoration given to God alone and the honor that is to be shown to certain human beings. In Hebrew, the term for worship is shakhah. It is appropriately used for humans in a large number of passages.
For example, in Genesis 37:7–9 Joseph relates two dreams that God gave him concerning how his family would honor him in coming years. Translated literally the passage states: “‘Behold, we were binding sheaves in the field, and lo, my sheaf arose and stood upright; and behold, your sheaves gathered round it, and worshiped [shakhah] my sheaf.’ . . . Then he dreamed another dream, and told it to his brothers, and said, ‘Behold, I have dreamed another dream; and behold, the sun, the moon, and eleven stars were worshiping [shakhah] me.’”
In Genesis 49:2-27, Jacob pronounced a prophetic blessing on his sons, and concerning Judah he stated: “Judah, your brothers shall praise you; your hand shall be on the neck of your enemies; your father’s sons shall worship [shakhah] you (49:8).” And in Exodus 18:7, Moses honored his father-in-law, Jethro: “Moses went out to meet his father-in-law, and worshiped [shakhah] him and kissed him; and they asked each other of their welfare, and went into the tent.”


Yet none of these passages were discussing the worship of adoration, the kind of worship given to God.
 

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Part 2:
Consider how honor is given. We regularly give it to public officials. In the United States it is customary to address a judge as “Your Honor.” In the marriage ceremony it used to be said that the wife would “love, honor, and obey” her husband. And just about anyone, living or dead, who bears an exalted rank is said to be worthy of honor, and this is particularly true of historical figures.

These practices are entirely Biblical. We are explicitly commanded at numerous points in the Bible to honor certain people. One of the most important commands on this subject is the command to honor one’s parents: “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land which the Lord your God gives you” (Ex. 20:12). God considered this command so important that he repeated it multiple times in the Bible (for example, Lev. 19:3, Deut. 5:16, Matt. 15:4, Luke 18:20, and Eph. 6:2–3). It was also important to give honor to one’s elders in general: “You shall rise up before the hoary head, and honor the face of an old man, and you shall fear your God: I am the Lord” (Lev. 19:32). It was also important to specially honor religious leaders: “Make sacred garments for your brother Aaron [the high priest], to give him dignity and honor” (Ex. 28:2).

The New Testament stresses the importance of honoring others no less than the Old Testament. The apostle Paul commanded: “Pay all of them their dues, taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due” (Rom. 13:7). He also stated this as a principle regarding one’s employers: “Slaves, be obedient to those who are your earthly masters, with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as to Christ” (Eph. 6:5). “Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be defamed” (1 Tim. 6:1). Perhaps the broadest command to honor others is found in 1 Peter: “Honor all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor” (1 Pet. 2:17).

The New Testament also stresses the importance of honoring religious figures. Paul spoke of the need to give them special honor in 1 Timothy: “Let the presbyters [priests] who rule well be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in preaching and teaching” (1 Tim. 5:17). Christ himself promised special blessings to those who honor religious figures: “He who receives a prophet because he is a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward, and he who receives a righteous man [saint] because he is a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward” (Matt. 10:41).

So, if there can be nothing wrong with honoring the living, who still have an opportunity to ruin their lives through sin, there certainly can be no argument against giving honor to saints whose lives are done and who ended them in sanctity. If people should be honored in general, God’s special friends certainly should be honored.

People who do not know better sometimes say that Catholics worship statues. Not only is this untrue, it is even untrue that Catholics honor statues.

The fact that someone kneels before a statue to pray does not mean that he is praying to the statue, just as the fact that someone kneels with a Bible in his hands to pray does not mean that he is worshiping the Bible. Statues or paintings or other artistic devices are used to recall to the mind the person or thing depicted. Just as it is easier to remember one’s mother by looking at her photograph, so it is easier to recall the lives of the saints by looking at representations of them.

The use of statues and icons for liturgical purposes (as opposed to idols) also had a place in the Old Testament. In Exodus 25:18–20, God commanded: “And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece with the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be.”

When the time came to build the Temple in Jerusalem, God inspired David’s plans for it, which included “his plan for the golden chariot of the cherubim that spread their wings and covered the ark of the covenant of the Lord. All this he made clear by the writing from the hand of the Lord concerning it, all the work to be done according to the plan” (1 Chr. 28:18–19). In obedience to this divinely inspired plan, Solomon built two gigantic, golden statues of cherubim. (See the Catholic Answers tract, Do Catholics Worship Statues? for further information.)

The most important form of honoring the saints, to which all the other forms are related, is the imitation of them in their relationship with God. Paul wrote extensively about the importance of spiritual imitation. He stated: “I urge you, then, be imitators of me. Therefore I sent to you Timothy, my beloved and faithful child in the Lord, to remind you of my ways in Christ, as I teach them everywhere in every church” (1 Cor. 4:16–17). The author of the book of Hebrews also stresses the importance of imitating true spiritual leaders: “Remember your leaders, those who spoke to you the word of God; consider the outcome of their life, and imitate their faith” (Heb. 13:7).

One of the most important passages on imitation is found in Hebrews. Chapter 11 of that book, the Bible’s well-known “hall of fame” chapter, presents numerous examples of the Old Testament saints for our imitation. It concludes with the famous exhortation: “Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us” (12:1)—the race that the saints have run before us.
 

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The most important form of honoring the saints,

First of all, "honoring the Saints' is Catholic, only.

So, FYI......Christians "honor Jesus".

Also, a 150 ft Plastic Mary, is a little bit beyond "honoring" Mary.
What 4 yr old can't figure that one out?
But you just go right ahead and live in that CC mentality, as you love it so much, Augustine56
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Part 2:
Consider how honor is given. We regularly give it to public officials. In the United States it is customary to address a judge as “Your Honor.” In the marriage ceremony it used to be said that the wife would “love, honor, and obey” her husband. And just about anyone, living or dead, who bears an exalted rank is said to be worthy of honor, and this is particularly true of historical figures.

These practices are entirely Biblical. We are explicitly commanded at numerous points in the Bible to honor certain people. One of the most important commands on this subject is the command to honor one’s parents: “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land which the Lord your God gives you” (Ex. 20:12). God considered this command so important that he repeated it multiple times in the Bible (for example, Lev. 19:3, Deut. 5:16, Matt. 15:4, Luke 18:20, and Eph. 6:2–3). It was also important to give honor to one’s elders in general: “You shall rise up before the hoary head, and honor the face of an old man, and you shall fear your God: I am the Lord” (Lev. 19:32). It was also important to specially honor religious leaders: “Make sacred garments for your brother Aaron [the high priest], to give him dignity and honor” (Ex. 28:2).

The New Testament stresses the importance of honoring others no less than the Old Testament. The apostle Paul commanded: “Pay all of them their dues, taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due” (Rom. 13:7). He also stated this as a principle regarding one’s employers: “Slaves, be obedient to those who are your earthly masters, with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as to Christ” (Eph. 6:5). “Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be defamed” (1 Tim. 6:1). Perhaps the broadest command to honor others is found in 1 Peter: “Honor all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor” (1 Pet. 2:17).

The New Testament also stresses the importance of honoring religious figures. Paul spoke of the need to give them special honor in 1 Timothy: “Let the presbyters [priests] who rule well be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in preaching and teaching” (1 Tim. 5:17). Christ himself promised special blessings to those who honor religious figures: “He who receives a prophet because he is a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward, and he who receives a righteous man [saint] because he is a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward” (Matt. 10:41).

So, if there can be nothing wrong with honoring the living, who still have an opportunity to ruin their lives through sin, there certainly can be no argument against giving honor to saints whose lives are done and who ended them in sanctity. If people should be honored in general, God’s special friends certainly should be honored.

People who do not know better sometimes say that Catholics worship statues. Not only is this untrue, it is even untrue that Catholics honor statues.

The fact that someone kneels before a statue to pray does not mean that he is praying to the statue, just as the fact that someone kneels with a Bible in his hands to pray does not mean that he is worshiping the Bible. Statues or paintings or other artistic devices are used to recall to the mind the person or thing depicted. Just as it is easier to remember one’s mother by looking at her photograph, so it is easier to recall the lives of the saints by looking at representations of them.

The use of statues and icons for liturgical purposes (as opposed to idols) also had a place in the Old Testament. In Exodus 25:18–20, God commanded: “And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece with the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be.”

When the time came to build the Temple in Jerusalem, God inspired David’s plans for it, which included “his plan for the golden chariot of the cherubim that spread their wings and covered the ark of the covenant of the Lord. All this he made clear by the writing from the hand of the Lord concerning it, all the work to be done according to the plan” (1 Chr. 28:18–19). In obedience to this divinely inspired plan, Solomon built two gigantic, golden statues of cherubim. (See the Catholic Answers tract, Do Catholics Worship Statues? for further information.)

The most important form of honoring the saints, to which all the other forms are related, is the imitation of them in their relationship with God. Paul wrote extensively about the importance of spiritual imitation. He stated: “I urge you, then, be imitators of me. Therefore I sent to you Timothy, my beloved and faithful child in the Lord, to remind you of my ways in Christ, as I teach them everywhere in every church” (1 Cor. 4:16–17). The author of the book of Hebrews also stresses the importance of imitating true spiritual leaders: “Remember your leaders, those who spoke to you the word of God; consider the outcome of their life, and imitate their faith” (Heb. 13:7).

One of the most important passages on imitation is found in Hebrews. Chapter 11 of that book, the Bible’s well-known “hall of fame” chapter, presents numerous examples of the Old Testament saints for our imitation. It concludes with the famous exhortation: “Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us” (12:1)—the race that the saints have run before us.

Total self-justifying nonsense! I believe what the Bible clearly says, not the mythology of one single denomination, Catholic are any other.

BTW, since you obviously cut-and-pasted this from somewhere, you should give the source, otherwise it's plagiarism.
 

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Regarding Mary... When Scripture talks about Mary, Jesus' mother, and His brothers visiting Him, what was His response?

Matthew 12:46-50, "While he was still speaking to the crowds, his mother and his brothers were standing outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Look, your mother and your brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” But to the one who had told him this, Jesus replied, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” And pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.

So much for your Catholic (false) exaltation of Mary!!!