Grailhunter
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You missed the point oh buddy....What does post #12 indicate as opposed to all the other scriptures I gave you. lol
10 different NT warning-types against eternal security
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You missed the point oh buddy....What does post #12 indicate as opposed to all the other scriptures I gave you. lol
jshiii
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I do not like "fundamentalism!" (insert the teardrop emoji from IPHONE) My brother is a Pastor, of about 300+ congregation, and I have only heard 3 of his sermons in 20 years. I support him, but he is way to fundamental for my wife and I. I don't think he gives believers enough room to grow and see God's REAL love in their lives. They are to busy trying not to sin. (insert the teardrop emoji from IPHONE)
I love the Faith, Grace and Love of Jesus and this poem says it all for us perfectly....
I love the Faith, Grace and Love of Jesus and this poem says it all for us perfectly....
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Davy
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Sad joke is actually very correct for what they are being taught.
The OSAS school teaches that once they believe on Jesus then they cannot ever sin anymore.
There's going to be many believers on Christ Jesus cast to the "outer darkness" when He returns, and standing in judgment throughout His future "thousand years" reign because of their listening to men's doctrines designed by devils. I just hope I'm not among them, because I know I'm still a sinner, even though I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Saviour and been baptized.
You simply need to seek the Lord for that second benefit spoken of in 2 Corinthians 1:15, 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24, Hebrews 10:14, 1 John 3:9, Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10, 1 John 3:7, 1 John 3:3, 1 John 2:6 (there are more verses to substantiate this; but I don't want to overwhelm you).
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Sorry, I do not agree ...
IMO, a large percentage of BACs in today's N.A. churches
are involved in habitual (unrepentant) sinning (for various reasons)!
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Your understanding of who a Born Again Christian is, is too loosely defined.
Try the definition in 1 John 3:9.
Bless you, brother, it's all about having the correct
and acceptable heart attitude towards the Lord.
Just keep repenting of your sins the best you can!
BTW, water-baptized or Spirit-baptized, or both?
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To repent means to make 180-degree turn away from the sin in question. It suggests that you will not have to do it multiple times; because having repented, you will not be committing the same sin any longer.
IMO, it is ridiculous to keep on posting your favorite NT verses
without also dealing with the many other NT verses, such as in the OP.
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Then it also might be ridiculous for you to quote the many other NT verses.
Do you expect everyone else to reconcile every apparent contradiction? Why not try putting some of your own work into it?
Almost everyone defines a BAC as one who has received the Holy Spirit,
which means they have become a new creation (2 Cor 5:17).
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If you would read and understand the NT,
you would find that it's all about NOT sinning,
which in a word translates to obedience!
Would you like to see the several NT verses that say
BACs have been freed from being in bondage to sin?
Would you like to see the several NT verses that say
obedience is mandatory?
What's the benefit for a BAC to overcome sin?
Better rewards in heaven? ... lol
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Geez, Louise ... over the rest of his years, he will be sinning different sins.
You really need to stop and think a bit before posting.
And FYI, you don't know everything!
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I have ... or should I say that God revealed it to me?
Where have you been when I have posted the simple solution
of how to reconcile all of the NT verses re: eternal security?
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Grailhunter
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Understanding.....you can read scriptures, you can memorize scriptures, you can read in a presumed literal meaning into a scripture, but understanding is a whole different level. How many people do you think say that the scriptures do not contradict, but pick the scriptures to prove their beliefs, when the scriptures should be teaching you the belief. I can fill this thread with scriptures that say your salvation is solid, and I can fill this thread with scriptures that say you can loose your salvation if you are not careful, or even easily. I can fill this thread that indicates you can sin and I can fill this thread with scriptures that say you cannot sin. Why can I do that? Is picking a side, true understanding of the scriptures? Is picking a side, the truth of the scriptures or Christianity. Or do you have to look deeper? Solving this brings the scriptures into harmony. Solving this brings a higher understanding of all scriptures, even Christian history. And no it is not secret knowledge....scriptures right in plain sight. Trust me I have done this before, and set these lists down in front of people and watch them try to explain away the scriptures that oppose their beliefs. When they are done I tell them to apply those explanations to other scriptures.....that does not work well.
Yes, I would like to see them...for I do not believe that obedience is mandatory for the believer...rather it is the desire of his heart; and also, because he is not under the law, is dead to the law, and is delivered from the law, he is not condemned by the law...and therefore the law is not a requirement...he is forgiven of past, present, and future sin(s); and is also governed by the law from the inside (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16)
It is spoken of in the scriptures that I referenced.
Not if he repents.
I don't know...I just didn't see it. Maybe you should post it again (copy and paste will do).
It's connected to Lordship Salvation.
If Jesus is your Lord and Savior, you will obey.
Many have said, "Obedience is not an option."
You are requesting an "Obedience is mandatory" thread, right?
Please, be patient ... it might take 5 minutes.
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Hello @Zachary,
With respect, the true believer in the Lord Jesus Christ will seek to walk in a manner which will bring glory to God, and honour to the One Who has brought Him out from death into life. The Holy Spirit working in Him, will be seeking to conform Him to the image of God's Son, for he has been given a sonship spirit whereby he can call the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ, 'Father', too.
This argument is unnecessary, for we are God's workmanship, and He never fails to accomplish what He purposes.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
With respect, the true believer in the Lord Jesus Christ will seek to walk in a manner which will bring glory to God, and honour to the One Who has brought Him out from death into life. The Holy Spirit working in Him, will be seeking to conform Him to the image of God's Son, for he has been given a sonship spirit whereby he can call the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ, 'Father', too.
This argument is unnecessary, for we are God's workmanship, and He never fails to accomplish what He purposes.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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