12 reasons why hell is not eternal conscious torment

[ATP]

Sorry.

No worries.

the vision of the Transfiguration

Now that you mentioned it, I believe the Transfiguration describes the second coming of Christ.
Moses represents the dead in Christ,
Elijah represents the believers still alive caught on in rapture and Jesus represents himself.

It's like having to sit through my own Church services when the pastor is constantly telling everyone not to worry about the Tribulation because they will be raptured away to heaven before it happens. It just breaks my heart.

I'm with you on that. Scripture plainly tells us the rapture is mid-trib right after the 6th seal.

 

[Bobby Hall]

No worries.


Now that you mentioned it, I believe the Transfiguration describes the second coming of Christ.
Moses represents the dead in Christ,
Elijah represents the believers still alive caught on in rapture and Jesus represents himself.


I'm with you on that. Scripture plainly tells us the rapture is mid-trib right after the 6th seal.

What I cannot fathom for the life of me is how college educated pastors who supposedly have studied the Scriptures can preach such a lie to their congregations. Surely they know better? This pre-trib false doctrine has to be the Evil One's most clever deception to date and I personally believe will entrap more Christians and the Jews into believing he will be the returning Messiah. How on earth can educated theologians not see the simple truth of the Scriptures?

 

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What I cannot fathom for the life of me is how college educated pastors who supposedly have studied the Scriptures can preach such a lie to their congregations. Surely they know better? This pre-trib false doctrine has to be the Evil One's most clever deception to date and I personally believe will entrap more Christians and the Jews into believing he will be the returning Messiah. How on earth can educated theologians not see the simple truth of the Scriptures?

False prophets are simply a part of prophecy. They must come to pass in order to fulfill what's needed.

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If soul sleep is true then what does "and gave up the ghost and yielded up the ghost:" mean?

Ananias and Sapphira

1But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, 2And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. 3But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. 5And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. 6And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.

7And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. 8And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much. 9Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out. 10Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband. 11And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.

 

[KingJ]

We wouldn't really be able to use Luke 23:43 as proof.
There was no punctuation in the original text.
Punctuation was added until later by translators and such, being it translator bias.
Original text reads: Jesus answered him Truly I tell you today you will be with me in paradise.
Translator's put the comma either before or after today, depending on their belief system.

Lol.This is a classic case of knowing scripture but having it fly over your head.

Is it really logical to you that God of the universe make Himself a lamb to the slaughter for us little ants....to save us....to enable us to enter eternal life / His presence.........only to still unnecessarily delay being with us?

Would you do that to your kid after you paid the ransom to free them?

We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord” (2 Corinthians 5:8).
I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far” (Philippians 1:23).
As for the punctuation of Luke 23:43 lol. Why would Jesus say ''truly I tell you today''...? The guy next to him would think he is dumb. Obviously its today.

 

[Bobby Hall]

False prophets are simply a part of prophecy. They must come to pass in order to fulfill what's needed.


If soul sleep is true then what does "and gave up the ghost and yielded up the ghost:" mean?

Ananias and Sapphira

1But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, 2And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. 3But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. 5And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. 6And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.

7And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. 8And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much. 9Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out. 10Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband. 11And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.

All this means is that they died. Can we say "Kicked the bucket" without anyone actually kicking a bucket?

The problem most folks have is distinguishing between "Spirit" and "spirit"

There are two bodies. One body is a carbon-based flesh and blood body. That is the body we currently have. There is another body which is a Spirit body. God, Christ, the good and bad angels, and the demons all have Spirit bodies and are actually called Spirits. THat is our ultimate goal. We desire to pass from this life and to be raised anew in the resurrection in a body like the Christ's - raised as a Spirit being.

Meanwhile, and for some unfathomable reason, someone went and named our innermost person the very same thing and caused massive confusion. The Bible teaches that this spirit in man imparts aspects of the
human mind, including self-awareness, intellect, creativity, personality and temperament—everything that enables human accomplishment and knowledge short of true spiritual understanding (1 Corinthians:2:11).

Upon our death, it is this spirit in man that returns to the God who gave it. Apparently, all these spirits of individuals are retained by God until Christ's return to establish His earthly kingdom and are at that time and at no time before placed inside our new spirit bodies which are forever eternal.

Even Spirits have spirits. Some Spirits are good spirited, some Spirits are bad spirited. God has a spirit Himself: 1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

We must avoid adding to scripture.

 

[ATP]

All this means is that they died. Can we say "Kicked the bucket" without anyone actually kicking a bucket?

The problem most folks have is distinguishing between "Spirit" and "spirit"

There are two bodies. One body is a carbon-based flesh and blood body. That is the body we currently have. There is another body which is a Spirit body. God, Christ, the good and bad angels, and the demons all have Spirit bodies and are actually called Spirits. THat is our ultimate goal. We desire to pass from this life and to be raised anew in the resurrection in a body like the Christ's - raised as a Spirit being.

Meanwhile, and for some unfathomable reason, someone went and named our innermost person the very same thing and caused massive confusion. The Bible teaches that this spirit in man imparts aspects of the
human mind, including self-awareness, intellect, creativity, personality and temperament—everything that enables human accomplishment and knowledge short of true spiritual understanding (1 Corinthians:2:11).

Upon our death, it is this spirit in man that returns to the God who gave it. Apparently, all these spirits of individuals are retained by God until Christ's return to establish His earthly kingdom and are at that time and at no time before placed inside our new spirit bodies which are forever eternal.

Even Spirits have spirits. Some Spirits are good spirited, some Spirits are bad spirited. God has a spirit Himself: 1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

We must avoid adding to scripture.

Read post#5..http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/21066-soul-sleep/

 

[Bobby Hall]

Read post#5..http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/21066-soul-sleep/

I read it. That post does not do away with all the scriptures concerning the state of the dead that are in our Bible. The Bible speaks for itself.
Man is not a Spirit being until the second coming of Christ. If man's inner spirit is anywhere at all, it is a total mindless and insane loon.

 

[ATP]

Man is not a Spirit being until the second coming of Christ. If man's inner spirit is anywhere at all, it is a total mindless and insane loon.

Man is not a spirit being until........? huh.

Is our spirit not with us right now???

 

[Bobby Hall]

Man is not a spirit being until........? huh.

Is our spirit not with us right now???

You're not listening. There is a Spirit body and a flesh body. You now have a flesh body. Yes, you have a spirit within you but that is not a Spirit body. You will only receive ypour Spirit body at Christ's coming. Christ is a Spirit being but Christ also has a spirit of His own, a kind and gentile loving spirit. That is His demeanor.

 

[ATP]

Yes, you have a spirit within you but that is not a Spirit body.

Why not? Our spirit is (inside) our body.

 

[Bobby Hall]

Why not? Our spirit is (inside) our body.

God and the Christ's spirits are inside their bodies too. They ARE Spirit beings with spirits of their own inside their Spirit bodies. I really don't think you try to understand.
If you really desired to know, this would make it easy enough for anyone to know:

1Co 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
1Co 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
1Co 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
1Co 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
1Co 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
1Co 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

Now, what is the inner spirit of man?

Job_32:8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.


Christ is a Spirit being but He also has a spirit:

Rom_8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
1Pe_1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

God is a Spirit being and yet He also has a spirit of His own.


Gen_1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

I cannot understand why you cannot get this. Sunday school kids get it.

 

[ATP]

I cannot understand why you cannot get this. Sunday school kids get it.

Well, not everyone agrees with you. School kids? If we knew what happens after death, wouldn't the world be more curious, anxious or excited?

Phil 1:23 - http://biblehub.com/philippians/1-23.htm
to be with Christ: for the former clause is to be strictly connected with this; he did not desire merely to depart this life, but chiefly to be with Christ, and the former only in order to the latter; the saints are in Christ now, chosen in him, set upon his heart, and put into his hands, are created in him, and brought to believe in him, and are in him as branches in the vine; and he is in them, formed in their hearts, lives and dwells in them by faith, and they have sometimes communion with him in private duties and public worship; he comes into them and sups with them, and they with him: but this is only at times, he is as a wayfaring man that continues but for a night; hence the present state of the saints is a state of absence from Christ; while they are at home in the body, they are absent from the Lord, especially as to his bodily presence; but after death they are immediately with him, where he is in his human nature; and their souls in their separate state continue with him till the resurrection morn, when their bodies will be raised and reunited to their souls, and be both for ever with him, beholding his glory, and enjoying uninterrupted communion with him; which will be the completion and full end of Christ's preparations and prayers: hence it appears that there is a future being and state after death: the apostle desires to depart this life, and "be", exist, be somewhere, "with Christ"; for the only happy being after death is with him; if souls are not with him, they are with devils and damned spirits, in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: and it is also manifest that souls do not sleep with the body in the grave until the resurrection; the souls of the saints are immediately with Christ, in the enjoyment of his presence, in happiness and glory, hoping, believing, and waiting for the resurrection of their bodies; had the apostle known that he must have remained after death in a state of inactivity and uselessness, deprived of the communion of Christ and of his church, it would have been no difficulty with him to determine which was most eligible, to live or die; and it would have been much better for him, and more to the advantage of the churches, if he had continued upon earth to this day, than to be sleeping in his grave, senseless and inactive; whereas he adds,

2 Cor 5:8 - http://biblehub.com/2_corinthians/5-8.htm
to be absent from the body; that is, to die, to depart out of this world. The interval between death, and the resurrection, is a state of absence from the body, during which time the soul is disembodied, and exists in a separate state; not in a state of inactivity and sleep, for that would not be desirable, but of happiness and glory, enjoying the presence of God, and praising of him, believing and waiting for the resurrection of the body, when both will be united together again; and after that there will be no more absence, neither from the body, nor from the Lord:

 

[Bobby Hall]

Well, not everyone agrees with you. School kids? If we knew what happens after death, wouldn't the world be more curious, anxious or excited?

Phil 1:23 - http://biblehub.com/philippians/1-23.htm
to be with Christ: for the former clause is to be strictly connected with this; he did not desire merely to depart this life, but chiefly to be with Christ, and the former only in order to the latter; the saints are in Christ now, chosen in him, set upon his heart, and put into his hands, are created in him, and brought to believe in him, and are in him as branches in the vine; and he is in them, formed in their hearts, lives and dwells in them by faith, and they have sometimes communion with him in private duties and public worship; he comes into them and sups with them, and they with him: but this is only at times, he is as a wayfaring man that continues but for a night; hence the present state of the saints is a state of absence from Christ; while they are at home in the body, they are absent from the Lord, especially as to his bodily presence; but after death they are immediately with him, where he is in his human nature; and their souls in their separate state continue with him till the resurrection morn, when their bodies will be raised and reunited to their souls, and be both for ever with him, beholding his glory, and enjoying uninterrupted communion with him; which will be the completion and full end of Christ's preparations and prayers: hence it appears that there is a future being and state after death: the apostle desires to depart this life, and "be", exist, be somewhere, "with Christ"; for the only happy being after death is with him; if souls are not with him, they are with devils and damned spirits, in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: and it is also manifest that souls do not sleep with the body in the grave until the resurrection; the souls of the saints are immediately with Christ, in the enjoyment of his presence, in happiness and glory, hoping, believing, and waiting for the resurrection of their bodies; had the apostle known that he must have remained after death in a state of inactivity and uselessness, deprived of the communion of Christ and of his church, it would have been no difficulty with him to determine which was most eligible, to live or die; and it would have been much better for him, and more to the advantage of the churches, if he had continued upon earth to this day, than to be sleeping in his grave, senseless and inactive; whereas he adds,

2 Cor 5:8 - http://biblehub.com/2_corinthians/5-8.htm
to be absent from the body; that is, to die, to depart out of this world. The interval between death, and the resurrection, is a state of absence from the body, during which time the soul is disembodied, and exists in a separate state; not in a state of inactivity and sleep, for that would not be desirable, but of happiness and glory, enjoying the presence of God, and praising of him, believing and waiting for the resurrection of the body, when both will be united together again; and after that there will be no more absence, neither from the body, nor from the Lord:

You win. I give up. I tried. You are correct. We die and immediately go to heaven to be with God. Later, at the resurrection of the saints at Christ's coming, we go up and meet Him in the clouds again. Works for me.

 

[ATP]

I cannot understand why you cannot get this. Sunday school kids get it.

The world has been debating this for 2,000 years, but don't worry Bobby Hall has the answers.

 

[Critical_Thinker]

There seem to be scriptures that can be used to support both views, but if I go by the Bible, I believe the wicked will be annihilated after they are resurrected on judgement day. The Bible says the righteous and unrighteous will be resurrected back to life. It says nothing about an immortal soul being reunited with its body. This is just a theory held by the majority of Christians who love preaching eternal torment.

 

[ATP]

There seem to be scriptures that can be used to support both views, but if I go by the Bible, I believe the wicked will be annihilated after they are resurrected on judgement day. The Bible says the righteous and unrighteous will be resurrected back to life. It says nothing about an immortal soul being reunited with its body. This is just a theory held by the majority of Christians who love preaching eternal torment.

Opinions are nice, but what about debating actual scripture from the Word of God.

Hell is eternal and also biblical (Mark 9:42-48/Rev 20:10) - Punishment is the result of being judged. Punishment involves consciousness. (Dan 12:2/Matt 25:46//Rev 20:12-15)

Dan 12:2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

Matt 25:46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

Mark 9:42-48 “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were thrown into the sea. 43If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. [44]b 45And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. [46]c 47And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48where “ ‘the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched.’

Rev 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Rev 20:12-15 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

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[Critical_Thinker]

Opinions are nice, but what about debating actual scripture from the Word of God.

Hell is eternal and also biblical (Mark 9:42-48/Rev 20:10) - Punishment is the result of being judged. Punishment involves consciousness. (Dan 12:2/Matt 25:46//Rev 20:12-15)

Dan 12:2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

Matt 25:46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

Mark 9:42-48 “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were thrown into the sea. 43If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. [44]b 45And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. [46]c 47And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48where “ ‘the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched.’

Rev 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Rev 20:12-15 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

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The Bible says that the wicked will perish. The word perish does not mean eternal life in hell. We can prove from the Bible that perish, when used to describe the fate of the wicked, means annihilation:

Psalm 37:2 But the wicked shall perish....into smoke shall they consume away.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

The unbelievers will perish in the lake of fire, and the word perish, according to Psalms, means to be consumed away into smoke.

The words everlasting contempt and eternal punishment mean that the end result of God's wrath is eternal. The lake of fire is eternal death, not eternal conscious torment. The Bible says Sodom and Gomorrah were burned with eternal fire, yet they are no longer burning. They were annihilated and were turned to ashes. In Jeremiah 17:27 says that the gates and palaces of Jerusalem will burn with unquenchable fire, yet the gates and palaces did not burn forever. Unquenchable fire just means that nobody will be able to put out the fire. The fire from God burns until it has consumed. Revelation is sometimes symbolic. In Revelation it talks about a woman riding a beast, and in Revelation 19:3 it says, "And her smoke rose up for ever and ever." If we take this literally then this means there will be a woman riding a beast and her smoke will ascend forever. This is obviously symbolic.

There are also numerous scriptures that teach annihilation, which makes far more sense than eternal, conscious torment.

 

[ATP]

The words everlasting contempt and eternal punishment mean that the end result of God's wrath is eternal.

1. But how can you feel contempt and punishment if you cease to exist? That doesn't make sense. Dan 12:2, Matt 25:46.
2. You also ignored Mark 9:42-48, Rev 20:10 and Rev 20:12-15.
3. God's wrath is eternal, correct. Which means contempt and punishment is eternal.
4. Why would God judge nonbelievers if they will cease to exist. Punishment and contempt is the result of judgment.
5. Rev 20:12-15 gives us the place, the lake of fire. Rev 20:10 gives us the duration of the lake of fire, forever and ever.
6. If the false prophet and the devil are tormented forever and ever, then wouldn't nonbelievers also be tormented forever and ever.
7. How can one be tormented forever and ever if they cease to exist.

Mark 9:42-48 “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were thrown into the sea. 43If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. [44]b 45And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. [46]c 47And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48where “ ‘the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched.’

Rev 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Rev 20:12-15 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

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[Critical_Thinker]

1. But how can you feel contempt and punishment if you cease to exist? That doesn't make sense. Dan 12:2, Matt 25:46.
2. You also ignored Mark 9:42-48, Rev 20:10 and Rev 20:12-15.
3. God's wrath is eternal, correct. Which means contempt and punishment is eternal.
4. Why would God judge nonbelievers if they will cease to exist. Punishment and contempt is the result of judgment.
5. Rev 20:12-15 gives us the place, the lake of fire. Rev 20:10 gives us the duration of the lake of fire, forever and ever.
6. If the false prophet and the devil are tormented forever and ever, then wouldn't nonbelievers also be tormented forever and ever.
7. How can one be tormented forever and ever if they cease to exist.

Mark 9:42-48 “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were thrown into the sea. 43If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. [44]b 45And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. [46]c 47And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48where “ ‘the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched.’

Rev 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Rev 20:12-15 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

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I responded to all the verses you quoted. Just go back and read it again

 

[ATP]

I responded to all the verses you quoted. Just go back and read it again

You're not making the connection between Rev 20:10 and Rev 20:12-15.

5. Rev 20:12-15 gives us the place, the lake of fire. Rev 20:10 gives us the duration of the lake of fire, forever and ever.
6. If the false prophet and the devil are tormented forever and ever, then wouldn't nonbelievers also be tormented forever and ever.
7. How can one be tormented forever and ever if they cease to exist.

Conclusion: Since nonbelievers are going into the same lake of fire as the false prophet and the devil, the torment is for both. - ATP

The Bible says Sodom and Gomorrah were burned with eternal fire, yet they are no longer burning. They were annihilated and were turned to ashes. In Jeremiah 17:27 says that the gates and palaces of Jerusalem will burn with unquenchable fire, yet the gates and palaces did not burn forever. Unquenchable fire just means that nobody will be able to put out the fire. The fire from God burns until it has consumed.

The lake of fire is not a symbol for Sodom or Jerusalem's fire burning out. These are places on earth. The lake of fire is not of this earth, it only exists in the afterlife.