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As I replied via the Map Reply unto Wrangler, there is NO GAP theory, Israel were Dead from 33 AD until 1948 unto God. Read that post and you will get the answers to the 70 weeks Decree by Daniel/Gabriel. The TIMEFRAME is about Israel, not the whole world.
And tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of Israelites believed in Jesus. Then the gospel went out to the Gentiles and we were grafted into the Vine.
End time prophecy, not aligned with 70 weeks.
Agains a portion of Israleites believed. In one day 3k were saved. Tens of thousand were fed miraculously. Did you not consdere the massuve numbers of Jews that followed Jesus? And then the disciples continuing for 35 years after that. Likely hundreds of thousands of Jews were transformed but probably 2/3 didn't as the percentages resemble today's believers, 1/3 of the planet believe in Jesus.
It's simple arithmetic. 7+ 62 = 69. AFTER 69 WEEKS WERE COMPLETED JESUS SHOWED UP, THEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE 70th WEEK, HE WAS CUT OFF. After 69 means in the 70th week.
And tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of Israelites believed in Jesus. Then the gospel went out to the Gentiles and we were grafted into the Vine.
End time prophecy, not aligned with 70 weeks.
Agains a portion of Israleites believed. In one day 3k were saved. Tens of thousand were fed miraculously. Did you not consdere the massuve numbers of Jews that followed Jesus? And then the disciples continuing for 35 years after that. Likely hundreds of thousands of Jews were transformed but probably 2/3 didn't as the percentages resemble today's believers, 1/3 of the planet believe in Jesus.
Simple arithmatic. 7+ 62 = 69. AFTER 69 WEEKS WERE COMPLETED JESUS SHOWED UP, THEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK HE WAS CUT OFF. After 69 means int the 70th week.
My word, you just twist everything around to fit a narrative don't you? Israel REJECTED Jesus, Matt. 23:39 is Jesus stating that the next time they see him they will welcome indeed accept him [as a nation]. The Disciples accepted Jesus and then God still "HAD TO" take the mantle from Israel and give it to a strange people (Gentiles) he knew not in order to take the Goodnews unto the whole world. If Israel had not of rejected Christ you do understand he would have saved Israel from Rome in 70 AD right? And set up the Kingdom Age at that time. The 70th week would have been finished at that time, if only Israel would have repented instead of rejecting God. You guys just do not get prophecy.
The 70th week is END TIME !!
Again, Israel as a Nation has not yet REPENTED, do you not understand what Paul means by IN PART? In Rom 11:25 we see Paul says Israel are blinded by God IN PART.
No, this is a nonsensical, and rather silly argument brother.
Most of Israel did reject Jesus, but many Jews ( in part) were saved. The First Christians were Jews. And later the Gentiles were "grafted into the Vine". If there were no Jews saved what Vine were the Gentiles grafted into?
In part, the Vine we were grafted into was the Vine that was generated from Abraham.
Oh, so I guess only the disciples were saved. Yeh sure ... 3000 saved on Pentecost ... and so you presume they just all moved out to other nations the next day? Lol
1/3 of the Jews never repented, thus Israel never repented, thus Jesus saw them as DEAD unto him for nigh 2000 years. God forsook Israel in AD 33, and thus Rome carried them off in AD 70. Only in 1948 did God open Hos eyes back upon Israel, and only for His names sake, He says so. No one said no Jews were saved, you stated that others said that, I stated the fact you can not overcome, so we only get obfuscation, I stated 1/3 of Israel were not saved, never have been saved in that number, we have roughly 1 million Messianic Jews in the whole world, that amongst 15 million Jews, and that is a time where we see far more Messianic Jews than ever before. So, no one ever stated there were no Jews saved, except you inferring I or we said it.
NOWHERE will you ever find where John MacArthur states that Israel has already repented. PERIOD.
Israel have not yet repented.
No one stated that either, but 1/3 of Israel have never repented, they will as I showed just before the DOTL.
Branches were broken off but not ALL the branches as if Jesus had ni effect. Tens of thousands of Jews were fed miraculously and none if them were saved? 500 saw him ascend ... come on.
Don't add to the confusion, that verse is specifically about THE False Prophet and THE Anti-Christ or Little Horn. Not men in general.
God stated Israel.........GET IT?........Israel was DEAD. No matter what you try to contrive you are not going to get past God's Holy Word brother. The reason you can never defeat me on these debates is I am coming from a factual perspective, you are in the guessing game.
This is why I disagree with some things John says. God's WORD says 70 weeks of years is determined ( ordained), NOT 69 weeks plus a 2000 year gap then the last week. THAT IS CONTRIVED BROTHER. I trust Gabriel tried to deliver this simple message and many just can't comprehend it, especially a retired milkman. I've learned to limit milk - it's not good for me.
The "GAP" in "YOUR MIND" you are too all knowing, you think, to see what God sees. God says Israel are dead for 2000 years from 33 AD until 1948, and you want to over rule God's holy word. We get Israel, then we get the "Time of the Gentiles" then we get Israel again. These kind of missteps is why you can't understand the Pre Trib Rapture of the Church either. The 70th week can not come into existence until the Church has been raptured to heaven, our "TIME as STEWARDS to God's Word" is over.
Stop being juvenile, I was a Milkman from 19-29 years old. I became a Christian at 23, that's why I retired, lolol. People lie you amuse me to no end. You get destroyed on a debate and then try to push forth a nosy report, because you got spanked via the debate. Too funny.
Why are you, as a self professing Christian, speaking to another in such a way? Is this Christ like? Since when do believers "debate to win" when speaking God's words and things pertaining to his coming? I don't agree with everything @Ronald David Bruno says, but there is never a reason for anyone to talk to him like that. Your nakedness has been exposed for everyone to see on the forum.
Mmmm, no there is no reason for someone to doubt a man has been called to preach for 38 years just because I am a retired Milk Man, people hold down jobs and still preach, he's trying to insinuate, I guess, that because I was once a Milk Man I am not a preacher now, well I once sold dope also, lol.
Your previous job has no bearing on who or what you know. And if you feel God called you to preach, that’s wonderful. Those are 2 subjects that arnt issues.
Not to me or you, but since I used my name here (thought I would have a name like I do on all other sites, and with so many crazy people in the world today its not wise to use your name tbh) but somehow when I signed up my name was used, no problem, but I only placed on my Facebook that I was a retired Milkman, most everyone there know me tbh, plus I never post on Facebook since its become woke, but he had to go in search using my name, kinda weird to me, tbh. I looked to see if a posted that here, I don't think so. Facebook is different, everyone there usually knows you anyway, all my friends are local, but I moved from another bigger city, where I know am not that familiar with the people in that city. But, I do not even get his point anyway, people seeking one out on other sites is a little weird tbh. At least to me, I am very protective of my family.
I could accuse you of arrogance, its too silly to accuse people of arrogance when they know they are right and you are wring, thars not arrogance, that is like accusing Paul of arrogance when he chastised the Galatians for trying to serve the Law instead of living by Faith. This is an Alinsky type trick I never fall for. Try it on others, I pay no attention to this, you are just wasting your time, Alinsky tactics will never work on me. And it dos not matter that you think you are correct, you are wrong, destroy all of your points because they are not God's truths. The funny thing is you are the most antithetical Christ-like person on this site, always saying everyone else ere are false teachers etc. etc. etc. when we teach the TRUE Pre Trib Rapture, in which you disagree, so its like the pot calling the kettle black, but worse, because I never use the type words you use in disagreements like False Prophets who are against God, etc. I say they will find out they are wrong when they get to heaven, even though I am sure a lot probably will not make heaven, because Jesus says 50 percent of the Church do not make the Wedding Call/Pre Trib Rapture. But you use False Teachers over and over. I assume those not understanding have merely been deceived by the deceiver Satan, not that they are willing participants/False Teachers.
Again, another fruitless Alinsky tactic, LOL. No think by saying this it defines me, you are mor than likely describing your own self. I do not accept this childish stuff sir, and yes Alinksy tactics is childish.
