25 questions that prove that ancient Chiliasm was a different animal to modern Premil

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Keraz

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Yes they were...year after year.... until this happened,
So either you fail to read the many Prophesies that tell us there will again be a new Temple, in which there will be made sacrifices and offerings, or you are saying to God: Sorry God, old fella; you can't have what you require, as jeffweeder and his buddies, won't allow it.

The basic problem is the blindness of people who simply cannot see how the incredible Promises of God to His faithful Christian peoples, will result in the formation of a new nation, in all of the holy Land. As Isaiah 62:1-12, so beautifully describes.

God WILL have what He always wanted: A people who have freely chosen to believe in Him, who accept the Salvation of Jesus and who keep His Commandments. THEY will be His witnesses and His light to the nations. John 15:27, Matthew 5:14-16
 

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God WILL have what He always wanted: A people who have freely chosen to believe in Him, who accept the Salvation of Jesus and who keep His Commandments. THEY will be His witnesses and His light to the nations. John 15:27, Matthew 5:14-16
Doing that for a long time now Keraz
 

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Not yet in the holy Land. Prophesies like Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26, are quite clear, the holy Land is our Christina heritage.
But as the Prophets say: Who is so blinded as My servants......? Isaiah 42:18-20
Repeating my previous question:

Do you understand the meaning and significance of "testament"?
 

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So either you fail to read the many Prophesies that tell us there will again be a new Temple, in which there will be made sacrifices and offerings, or you are saying to God: Sorry God, old fella; you can't have what you require, as jeffweeder and his buddies, won't allow it.

The basic problem is the blindness of people who simply cannot see how the incredible Promises of God to His faithful Christian peoples, will result in the formation of a new nation, in all of the holy Land. As Isaiah 62:1-12, so beautifully describes.

God WILL have what He always wanted: A people who have freely chosen to believe in Him, who accept the Salvation of Jesus and who keep His Commandments. THEY will be His witnesses and His light to the nations. John 15:27, Matthew 5:14-16
You can't possibly be any more blind than someone who denies that Jesus is God. You lost all credibility once you revealed that.
 

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You can't possibly be any more blind than someone who denies that Jesus is God. You lost all credibility once you revealed that.
No one uses the term Father all the time. Some do not even use it at all. You would literally have to use LORD every time yourself when addressing God. Many here use God instead of LORD. If you accept the Trinity, Jesus is not God. Jesus is the LORD.

Why is this some trinitarian litmus test to some? None of you are strict on titles.
 

Spiritual Israelite

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Exactly. Why is no Premil calling out him and Cady for this heresy?
Apparently, supporting others who believe in Premil, regardless of their other beliefs, is more important to them than defending core Christian doctrines like this. Either that or they don't want to be seen agreeing with us evil Amils about anything. Sad.
 

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Apparently, supporting others who believe in Premil, regardless of their other beliefs, is more important to them than defending core Christian doctrines like this. Either that or they don't want to be seen agreeing with us evil Amils about anything. Sad.
This is the whole reason I reject "party spirit." When you gather around one particular doctrine, to the exclusion of other biblical truths, you become sectarian and divisive. That is why I focus on the need to become centered around the love and truth of Christ, rather than make peripheral doctrines so important that insults are thrown around without reservation. We need to remind ourselves all the time of the need to speak the truth *in love.* We need to constantly remind ourselves what it is to "walk in the Spirit" and not "in the flesh."
 

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You are a denier of Scripture. Deny this one too -Matthew 7:6

Perhaps you should also consider the verses that come directly before vs 6.

Matthew 7:4-5 (KJV) Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Before implying a fellow Christian is an unworthy dog, you should consider the possibility of the beam you seem to be unaware of in your own eye.
 

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Apparently, supporting others who believe in Premil, regardless of their other beliefs, is more important to them than defending core Christian doctrines like this. Either that or they don't want to be seen agreeing with us evil Amils about anything. Sad.

You nailed it. Party loyalty transcends truth with many Premils here.
 

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No one uses the term Father all the time. Some do not even use it at all. You would literally have to use LORD every time yourself when addressing God. Many here use God instead of LORD. If you accept the Trinity, Jesus is not God. Jesus is the LORD.

Why is this some trinitarian litmus test to some? None of you are strict on titles.

Do you believe in the deity of Christ?
 

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So either you fail to read the many Prophesies that tell us there will again be a new Temple, in which there will be made sacrifices and offerings, or you are saying to God: Sorry God, old fella; you can't have what you require, as jeffweeder and his buddies, won't allow it.

The basic problem is the blindness of people who simply cannot see how the incredible Promises of God to His faithful Christian peoples, will result in the formation of a new nation, in all of the holy Land. As Isaiah 62:1-12, so beautifully describes.

God WILL have what He always wanted: A people who have freely chosen to believe in Him, who accept the Salvation of Jesus and who keep His Commandments. THEY will be His witnesses and His light to the nations. John 15:27, Matthew 5:14-16

You're ignoring the New Testament that proves the new Temple has already come. Christ is the new Temple you are still looking for. You continue to deny what is written and continue to look for a physical temple on this earth.

John 2:19-21 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body.

Christ is the new Temple, and believers enter the new Temple when we partake of Him, His resurrection life.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 (KJV) What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Since by His coming Christ has fulfilled all the sacrificial and ceremonial Law. When believers partake of Him, the sacrificial and ceremonial Law is fulfilled for the people through Christ already. Why do you continue to look for physical fulfillment of the things that have already been fulfilled through the sacrificial blood of Christ?

Matthew 5:17 (KJV) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Hebrews 10:1-13 (KJV) For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

The problem is NOT that people who disagree with your doctrine are blind. The problem is with your vision, not ours. You cannot see the incredible promise of Christ is to give eternal life to all who believe. Even if a physical temple were to be built again on this earth, and the old sacrificial and ceremonial system returned, it would not give eternal life. All the Old Covenant Prophets write of the promised Messiah who would come to make them clean and give them eternal life.

You are correct. God will have His way, and all who willingly turn to Christ for life in this age of the Gospel will be saved by grace through faith, and not one of them will be eternally lost. And when this age has ended with the return of Christ, there won't be more time on this earth for reinstating the Old Covenant way of life and obedience to the Law that never had the power to cleanse man's conscience guilt eternally.
 

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You're ignoring the New Testament that proves the new Temple has already come. Christ is the new Temple you are still looking for. You continue to deny what is written and continue to look for a physical temple on this earth.
That there will be a new Temple is proved by the many Prophesies about it in all of the Bible.
The best examples are OT- Daniel 9:27, which tells us how the Temple will be taken over by a strong man, and NT- 2 Thess 2:4, that reiterates that event. From their context, this must be an end times event.
 

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That there will be a new Temple is proved by the many Prophesies about it in all of the Bible.
The best examples are OT- Daniel 9:27, which tells us how the Temple will be taken over by a strong man, and NT- 2 Thess 2:4, that reiterates that event. From their context, this must be an end times event.

Keraz, you're living in the Old Testament. The only way to understand the prophesy of old is through the New Testament. The new interprets the old, but you are trying to use the old to make sense of the new. You'll forever be looking for physical fulfillment of what is spiritually fulfilled through Christ. Which is why you can't understand Dan 9:27 is fulfilled when Christ confirmed the Covenant by His sacrificial atoning blood.
 
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