25 questions that prove that ancient Chiliasm was a different animal to modern Premil

[Timtofly]

Not true. You refuse to accept the clear and repeated teaching pertaining to end-times.

I reject man's additive teachings to God's Word. Amil is an additive teaching that is not found nor implied in any Scripture. Not even the scoffers found in 2 Peter 3 are Amil although they have similar interpretations of Scripture. Perhaps some Amil are those scoffers, but Amil itself is not scoffing God's Word. Amil just adds man's opinion to Scripture.

Amil view Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 20:15 as one age, and the last 2 chapters as the age to come. That is not even sound doctrine, just like those scoffers in 2 Peter 3.

I have pointed out clear teachings of Scripture and you mock them, because your Amil additive teachings, are not Scripture. Thinking Amil is a clear teaching from Scripture is being blinded by your own made up mind and thought processes. Scripture cannot teach Amil, as that would cause Scripture to contradict Scripture.

Amil is in addition to Scripture, and the foundation of your version of Amil is extra biblical teaching as you cannot prove recapitulation is taught in the book of Revelation. All you can do is allege an implied assertion. Your Scriptural teaching cannot be proof, as it is only in your mind, not the mind of Christ.

 

[WPM]

I reject man's additive teachings to God's Word. Amil is an additive teaching that is not found nor implied in any Scripture. Not even the scoffers found in 2 Peter 3 are Amil although they have similar interpretations of Scripture. Perhaps some Amil are those scoffers, but Amil itself is not scoffing God's Word. Amil just adds man's opinion to Scripture.

Amil view Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 20:15 as one age, and the last 2 chapters as the age to come. That is not even sound doctrine, just like those scoffers in 2 Peter 3.

I have pointed out clear teachings of Scripture and you mock them, because your Amil additive teachings, are not Scripture. Thinking Amil is a clear teaching from Scripture is being blinded by your own made up mind and thought processes. Scripture cannot teach Amil, as that would cause Scripture to contradict Scripture.

Amil is in addition to Scripture, and the foundation of your version of Amil is extra biblical teaching as you cannot prove recapitulation is taught in the book of Revelation. All you can do is allege an implied assertion. Your Scriptural teaching cannot be proof, as it is only in your mind, not the mind of Christ.

Your increased hostility and frustration is a obvious admission you have lost the debate. All you are left with now is ad hominem and then run. That is what follows avoidance.

Do you literally believe Christ is coming suddenly and unexpectedly "as a thief in the night" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:2 and 2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe the wicked will experience "sudden destruction" from His appearance as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
Do you literally believe the wicked "shall not escape" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
Do you literally believe that "the heavens shall pass away with a great noise" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe that "the elements shall melt with fervent heat" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10 & 12)?
Do you literally believe that "the earth also ... shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe that "the works that are therein [the earth] shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe that the righteous are actually looking "for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness” when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:13)?

 

[Timtofly]

Your increased hostility and frustration is a obvious admission you have lost the debate. All you are left with now is ad hominem and then run. That is what follows avoidance.

Do you literally believe Christ is coming suddenly and unexpectedly "as a thief in the night" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:2 and 2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe the wicked will experience "sudden destruction" from His appearance as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
Do you literally believe the wicked "shall not escape" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
Do you literally believe that "the heavens shall pass away with a great noise" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe that "the elements shall melt with fervent heat" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10 & 12)?
Do you literally believe that "the earth also ... shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe that "the works that are therein [the earth] shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe that the righteous are actually looking "for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness” when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:13)?

I don't figuratively believe. I don't use symbolism as an excuse not to understand the book of Revelation.

I don't change around the order in which Revelation was written in, to satisfy the points in my post.

The wicked are destroyed in the weeks and months after the Second Coming.

Armageddon is not the Second Coming.

At the 6th Seal, heaven is dissolved and all the stars come to earth; they are the angels. The church is removed. Jesus comes to the Mount of Olives. All the works of man are burned up, and they are all hiding under the rubble, the rocks, and in the caves of mountains. All can see the GWT, and the Lamb come to earth.

While people enjoy creation as it was meant to be, they will still be looking forward to the NHNE. John claims that Satan will be bound at a point in time after the Second Coming. He is not placed in the LOF at the same time the beast and FP are.

 

[WPM]

I don't figuratively believe. I don't use symbolism as an excuse not to understand the book of Revelation.

I don't change around the order in which Revelation was written in, to satisfy the points in my post.

The wicked are destroyed in the weeks and months after the Second Coming.

Armageddon is not the Second Coming.

At the 6th Seal, heaven is dissolved and all the stars come to earth; they are the angels. The church is removed. Jesus comes to the Mount of Olives. All the works of man are burned up, and they are all hiding under the rubble, the rocks, and in the caves of mountains. All can see the GWT, and the Lamb come to earth.

While people enjoy creation as it was meant to be, they will still be looking forward to the NHNE. John claims that Satan will be bound at a point in time after the Second Coming. He is not placed in the LOF at the same time the beast and FP are.

You totally avoided all my questions. Please address or we can only conclude you are fighting the sacred text.

 

[Timtofly]

You totally avoided all my questions. Please address or we can only conclude you are fighting the sacred text.

Your questions are fighting the sacred text. That was confirmed by you making them all up. I did address everyone of them. You just don't like the answers.

 

[WPM]

Your questions are fighting the sacred text. That was confirmed by you making them all up. I did address everyone of them. You just don't like the answers.

Avoidance has become your pattern. You have to! To answer honestly and directly would mean you would become an Amil.

• Do you literally believe Christ is coming suddenly and unexpectedly "as a thief in the night" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:2 and 2 Peter 3:10)?
• Do you literally believe the wicked will experience "sudden destruction" from His appearance as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
• Do you literally believe the wicked "shall not escape" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
• Do you literally believe that "the heavens shall pass away with a great noise" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
• Do you literally believe that "the elements shall melt with fervent heat" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10 & 12)?
• Do you literally believe that "the earth also ... shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
• Do you literally believe that "the works that are therein [the earth] shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
• Do you literally believe that the righteous are actually looking "for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness” when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:13)?

 

[Timtofly]

Avoidance has become your pattern. You have to! To answer honestly and directly would mean you would become an Amil.

• Do you literally believe Christ is coming suddenly and unexpectedly "as a thief in the night" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:2 and 2 Peter 3:10)?
• Do you literally believe the wicked will experience "sudden destruction" from His appearance as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
• Do you literally believe the wicked "shall not escape" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
• Do you literally believe that "the heavens shall pass away with a great noise" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
• Do you literally believe that "the elements shall melt with fervent heat" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10 & 12)?
• Do you literally believe that "the earth also ... shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
• Do you literally believe that "the works that are therein [the earth] shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
• Do you literally believe that the righteous are actually looking "for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness” when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:13)?

Christ is coming unexpectedly at the 6th Seal. People expect Christ to come in Revelation 19 to Armageddon.

You all will experience everything burned up as you all expect many other things to happen first and take the surprise away.

Is physical death an escape? It is appointed unto man once to die. So if death is an escape, then all will be appointed to escape.

The heavens will roll back and the firmament will no longer be a separate place. All the angels come to the earth, at the 6th Seal, weeks, months, and years before Revelation 19.

The verse says all the works will be burned up. You all will literally have nothing after the 6th Seal, while you are waiting for all the Trumpets to sound.

You will be looking for a new heaven and earth soon after the reality of your condition, kicks in, while on earth waiting for the Trumpets to sound.

Do you literally expect to be on earth for all the Trumpets, Thunders, and Satan's short time to wreck his own destruction upon the earth?

 

[WPM]

Christ is coming unexpectedly at the 6th Seal. People expect Christ to come in Revelation 19 to Armageddon.

You all will experience everything burned up as you all expect many other things to happen first and take the surprise away.

Is physical death an escape? It is appointed unto man once to die. So if death is an escape, then all will be appointed to escape.

The heavens will roll back and the firmament will no longer be a separate place. All the angels come to the earth, at the 6th Seal, weeks, months, and years before Revelation 19.

The verse says all the works will be burned up. You all will literally have nothing after the 6th Seal, while you are waiting for all the Trumpets to sound.

You will be looking for a new heaven and earth soon after the reality of your condition, kicks in, while on earth waiting for the Trumpets to sound.

Do you literally expect to be on earth for all the Trumpets, Thunders, and Satan's short time to wreck his own destruction upon the earth?

These are recaps. They describe the same concluding events. They are parallel accounts.

 

[WPM]

Christ is coming unexpectedly at the 6th Seal. People expect Christ to come in Revelation 19 to Armageddon.

You all will experience everything burned up as you all expect many other things to happen first and take the surprise away.

Is physical death an escape? It is appointed unto man once to die. So if death is an escape, then all will be appointed to escape.

The heavens will roll back and the firmament will no longer be a separate place. All the angels come to the earth, at the 6th Seal, weeks, months, and years before Revelation 19.

The verse says all the works will be burned up. You all will literally have nothing after the 6th Seal, while you are waiting for all the Trumpets to sound.

You will be looking for a new heaven and earth soon after the reality of your condition, kicks in, while on earth waiting for the Trumpets to sound.

Do you literally expect to be on earth for all the Trumpets, Thunders, and Satan's short time to wreck his own destruction upon the earth?

• Do you literally believe Christ is coming suddenly and unexpectedly "as a thief in the night" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:2 and 2 Peter 3:10)?
• Do you literally believe the wicked will experience "sudden destruction" from His appearance as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
• Do you literally believe the wicked "shall not escape" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
• Do you literally believe that "the heavens shall pass away with a great noise" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
• Do you literally believe that "the elements shall melt with fervent heat" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10 & 12)?
• Do you literally believe that "the earth also ... shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
• Do you literally believe that "the works that are therein [the earth] shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
• Do you literally believe that the righteous are actually looking "for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness” when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:13)?

 

[Timtofly]

These are recaps. They describe the same concluding events. They are parallel accounts.

As the private interpretation of some people's opinionated imagination.

 

[Timtofly]

• Do you....

Do you literally believe Christ is coming suddenly and unexpectedly "as a thief in the night" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:2 and 2 Peter 3:10)?

Do you literally believe the wicked will experience "sudden destruction" from His appearance as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?

Do you literally believe the wicked "shall not escape" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?

Do you literally believe that "the heavens shall pass away with a great noise" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?

Do you literally believe that "the elements shall melt with fervent heat" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10 & 12)?

Do you literally believe that "the earth also ... shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe that "the works that are therein [the earth] shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?

Do you literally believe that the righteous are actually looking "for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness” when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:13)?

Do you literally believe that Jesus reigns on earth for 1,000 years as the Bible says (Revelation 20:4)

 

[WPM]

Do you literally believe Christ is coming suddenly and unexpectedly "as a thief in the night" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:2 and 2 Peter 3:10)?

Do you literally believe the wicked will experience "sudden destruction" from His appearance as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?

Do you literally believe the wicked "shall not escape" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?

Do you literally believe that "the heavens shall pass away with a great noise" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?

Do you literally believe that "the elements shall melt with fervent heat" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10 & 12)?

Do you literally believe that "the earth also ... shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe that "the works that are therein [the earth] shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?

Do you literally believe that the righteous are actually looking "for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness” when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:13)?

Do you literally believe that Jesus reigns on earth for 1,000 years as the Bible says (Revelation 20:4)

Yes to all, bar your lie at the end. It is a no! Nowhere can it be found in Scripture.

Now will you stop avoiding my questions.

 

[Timtofly]

Yes to all, bar your lie at the end. It is a no! Nowhere can it be found in Scripture.

Now will you stop avoiding my questions.

So you reject God's Word more than I do? You call Scripture and John a liar to boot.

I have answered your questions. You don't like the answers along with God's Word apparently.

No where in Revelation 20 is the theme given, taking place in heaven. Do you have another location in mind besides on the earth as stated? If not heaven nor earth, where does your imagination dictate exactly this reign is taking place? What is driving you to think John is lying about Revelation 20 taking place on the earth? Is the pit not part of the earth either? Is this chapter too symbolic for you to interpret, you have to make up your own reality? You have already turned a literal physical resurrection into some spiritual phenomenon. Then you turn earth into a non earth location. Any other correction to Revelation 20 you care to mention?

 

[WPM]

So you reject God's Word more than I do? You call Scripture and John a liar to boot.

I have answered your questions. You don't like the answers along with God's Word apparently.

No where in Revelation 20 is the theme given, taking place in heaven. Do you have another location in mind besides on the earth as stated? If not heaven nor earth, where does your imagination dictate exactly this reign is taking place? What is driving you to think John is lying about Revelation 20 taking place on the earth? Is the pit not part of the earth either? Is this chapter too symbolic for you to interpret, you have to make up your own reality? You have already turned a literal physical resurrection into some spiritual phenomenon. Then you turn earth into a non earth location. Any other correction to Revelation 20 you care to mention?

You do not answer questions. Like Truth7t7, you constantly avoid them because they interfere with your false teaching. I will repeat:

• Do you literally believe Christ is coming suddenly and unexpectedly "as a thief in the night" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:2 and 2 Peter 3:10)?
• Do you literally believe the wicked will experience "sudden destruction" from His appearance as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
• Do you literally believe the wicked "shall not escape" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
• Do you literally believe that "the heavens shall pass away with a great noise" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
• Do you literally believe that "the elements shall melt with fervent heat" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10 & 12)?
• Do you literally believe that "the earth also ... shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
• Do you literally believe that "the works that are therein [the earth] shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
• Do you literally believe that the righteous are actually looking "for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness” when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:13)?

 

[WPM]

So you reject God's Word more than I do? You call Scripture and John a liar to boot.

I have answered your questions. You don't like the answers along with God's Word apparently.

No where in Revelation 20 is the theme given, taking place in heaven. Do you have another location in mind besides on the earth as stated? If not heaven nor earth, where does your imagination dictate exactly this reign is taking place? What is driving you to think John is lying about Revelation 20 taking place on the earth? Is the pit not part of the earth either? Is this chapter too symbolic for you to interpret, you have to make up your own reality? You have already turned a literal physical resurrection into some spiritual phenomenon. Then you turn earth into a non earth location. Any other correction to Revelation 20 you care to mention?

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That is your boring mantra. You interpret the whole of Scripture through your faulty opinion of Revelation 20. Smart and objective theologians interpret Revelation 20 through the lens of the rest of Scripture.

 

[Timtofly]

You do not answer questions. Like Truth7t7, you constantly avoid them because they interfere with your false teaching. I will repeat:

• Do you literally believe Christ is coming suddenly and unexpectedly "as a thief in the night" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:2 and 2 Peter 3:10)?
• Do you literally believe the wicked will experience "sudden destruction" from His appearance as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
• Do you literally believe the wicked "shall not escape" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
• Do you literally believe that "the heavens shall pass away with a great noise" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
• Do you literally believe that "the elements shall melt with fervent heat" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10 & 12)?
• Do you literally believe that "the earth also ... shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
• Do you literally believe that "the works that are therein [the earth] shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
• Do you literally believe that the righteous are actually looking "for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness” when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:13)?

None of those points contradict a future millennium. They all make way for the kingdom of Jesus on David's throne.

 

[Timtofly]

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That is your boring mantra. You interpret the whole of Scripture through your faulty opinion of Revelation 20. Smart and objective theologians interpret Revelation 20 through the lens of the rest of Scripture.

I asked you questions, and this is your answer?

You are lost in your own mind on the issue. You are the one with threads obsessed with why God cannot have a Day of the Lord prior to a totally different reality.

 

[WPM]

I asked you questions, and this is your answer?

You are lost in your own mind on the issue. You are the one with threads obsessed with why God cannot have a Day of the Lord prior to a totally different reality.

No, you did not answer any of my questions, and you know it. You just duck around them. Not that it worries me; it just exposes your theology to the rest of the readers. My endeavor is not to change you, it is to expose the error of your theology to everyone else. You make it very easy for me.

 

[covenantee]

No, you did not answer any of my questions, and you know it. You just duck around them. Not that it worries me; it just exposes your theology to the rest of the readers. My endeavor is not to change you, it is to expose the error of your theology to everyone else. You make it very easy for me.

Not theology. Ideology.

 

[WPM]

Not theology. Ideology.

Soooo true!