3.5 Tribulation

[Gordon]

My complaint is with the false notion you raised in the original post, that Jesus fulfilled the first half of the Daniel 9:27 "one week", i.e., the 3.5 years first part you mentioned. That is impossible, and that's why I complained, and I refuse to believe that you failed to understand how I balked at that idea in my previous posts here.

Because you have corrupted the Scriptures by even suggesting... that Jesus could have fulfilled the first 3.5 years of the 7 years of Daniel 9:27, there's no way I'm going to show you what He shortened the tribulation to. Ask Him.

Furthermore, and you really need to understand this; the actual time of the "great tribulation" linked to the 7 years of Daniel 9:27 is about the LATTER HALF of that "one week". That means the LATTER 3.5 years of the 7 years. The false-Messiah kicks that LATTER HALF of 3.5 years off with the placing of the "abomination of desolation" IDOL in a new physical temple built in Jerusalem at the very end of this world.

You misunderstood my friend. I don't believe that Jesus fulfilled the first 3.5 years. The question on the table was to find out the pulse of the forum participants and then to decide how I should proceed. But this is what I think is going on:

1.Tribulation begins March 11,2020 the start of Agenda 21​

• World population reduction of up to 95% by 2030
• Environmental take over of all lands.
• Financial control of all resources and people
• Global domination through socialism/communism

2.The saints have been and are being persecuted for 1290 days; the end date of persecution ----- September 22, 2023
If the saints make it to 1335 days ------------- November 6, 2023

1. Jesus won’t return until a great falling away (The Vaxx) and the Antichrist is revealed
2. Antichrist has been working behind the scenes during this 3 year time and is soon to be revealed.

This word “reveal” in the “Strongs concordance #601” describes it this way; Reveal is “Persons, previously concealed, and now making their appearance in public”:

3. The Seals are being opened.

Seal 1 -- White horse -- (Toxon),

Seal 2 -- Red Horse ---- killing one another,

Seal 3 -- Black Horse -- Famine/financial shift

Seal 4-- Pale horse ---- Nuclear War

Seal 5 -- unknown effect on the world

Seal 6 -- Possible pole shift

4. The Mark, Beast tech, --- Bio Technology that uses the human body as a means of authentication. Camera surveillance, finger scanners, iris and retinal scanners, facial recognition, palm scanners, and vein readers; all being rolled out for world wide monitoring.

5. More vaccines being introduced having electronic/magnetic/DNAaltering properties.

6. Demonic AI our future overlords

7. On Sept. 15, 2020 Abrahamic Accords – peace and safety then sudden destruction.

8. On March 2021 3 faiths unite at birthplace of Abraham (Iraq)

9. On November 13, 2022 three faiths and more unite around Cop 27

10. Uniting the religions of the world under Chrislam .

11. Temple exists currently under ground. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaXbN1RX8X0

12. Revelation 11:1-2 outer court given to the gentiles is above ground level.

13. Antichrist has currently put a stop to the daily sacrifice in the Temple or he never started this action (v.8:11)

14. Antichrist is then in the temple and God immediately zaps him and he dies mid-trib.

15. The second half of the Trib is an AI rendering “image of the beast”

16. Chapter 7 -- 144 thousand sealed

17. Chapter 7 – Great multitude in Heaven. At a time you don’t expect. Mid-Trib?

18. Future chapters represent Israel’s transgressions God’s 3.5 years of wrath.

19. “Unless the time was shortened” Tribulation length is 2300 days
or 6.3 years.
20. Date of the end of the Tribulation with a starting date of march 11, 2020 = 6/18/2026
21. The two witnesses Counting backward from 6/18/2026 They begin on January 5, 2023 if not sooner.
22. To be continued.

Agenda 21 is Our Introduction to the Tribulation of Revelation | Spirit | Before It's News​

 

[Bibleinvestigations]

Except you are skipping over a few steps.

"And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom."

These kings are not the 4th kingdom, Rome was. The fifth kingdom is the 10 toes.

The dragon did involve the first 4 kingdoms. But it involved the 5th kingdom as well.

Revelation 17 clearly says 5 are fallen. The 6th has a mortal wound according to Revelation 13.

The 6th kingdom has been the state of humanity since the 5th kingdom fell.

Not even Daniel was given information on the 5th and 6th kingdoms, other than there were ten toes of iron and clay.

You claim Daniel 7 is just rehashing the first four. Some have attributed them to modern nations. How would we know even if you claim to have unlocked some mystery?

The dragon is meaningless if you think all 4 heads are applicable for a future reality. The only head that is future is that of Satan's government. John calls this the 8th kingdom. At what point in history would you accept the first 5 kingdoms are fallen, and

That was my point.

Do you think that is old?

Saying he was older in 26AD, does not make him younger in 70AD, nor 90-96AD.

That was my point.

Do you think that is old?

Saying he was older in 26AD, does not make him younger in 70AD, nor 90-96AD.

So what point are you trying to make? There is no evidence that John received this vision in the latter part of his life in a prison in Patmos. There isn’t evidence that Patmos was a prison.

 

[Gordon]

Yes, I am one of "those." This reads like a challenge, so prove me wrong.

This is how Jesus got crucified when He did nothing wrong. Wheres a smiley face when you need one?

 

[CadyandZoe]

I've had some discussion with some of the participants in another thread and was intrigued by the idea that Jesus fulfilled the first 3.5 years of the tribulation. I had only heard one other source mentioning this in some of my past ministry connections, but had never heard the reason for it. However on further study of the subject I'm wondering the true validity of the doctrine.
In brief; the doctrine comes into play with the verse of Daniel 9. It reads as such:

Daniel 9:26,27 KJV
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Is this a common teaching for many on the forum?

I don't know about this forum, but I believe the GT began at the Stoning of Stephan and hasn't ended yet.

 

[Timtofly]

So what point are you trying to make? There is no evidence that John received this vision in the latter part of his life in a prison in Patmos. There isn’t evidence that Patmos was a prison.

When do you think John went to Patmos, and why?

"companion in tribulation, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ"

"that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God"

 

[Bibleinvestigations]

When do you think John went to Patmos, and why?

I think it was soon after the Pentecost Holy Spirit event. Considering what happened, the disciples had a commission from Jesus to start the church and after that Pentecost the disciples most certainly were there to help spread the word so Johnconnected with the men from Asia.

"companion in tribulation, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ"

Why wouldn’t John tell us that he was in prison if he was? The whole church was being persecuted, and he was there to further the word of God and share the testimony of Jesus.

"that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God"

??

 

[face2face]

You misunderstood my friend. I don't believe that Jesus fulfilled the first 3.5 years. The question on the table was to find out the pulse of the forum participants and then to decide how I should proceed. But this is what I think is going on:

1.Tribulation begins March 11,2020 the start of Agenda 21​

• World population reduction of up to 95% by 2030
• Environmental take over of all lands.
• Financial control of all resources and people
• Global domination through socialism/communism

2.The saints have been and are being persecuted for 1290 days; the end date of persecution ----- September 22, 2023
If the saints make it to 1335 days ------------- November 6, 2023

1. Jesus won’t return until a great falling away (The Vaxx) and the Antichrist is revealed
2. Antichrist has been working behind the scenes during this 3 year time and is soon to be revealed.

This word “reveal” in the “Strongs concordance #601” describes it this way; Reveal is “Persons, previously concealed, and now making their appearance in public”:

3. The Seals are being opened.

Seal 1 -- White horse -- (Toxon),

Seal 2 -- Red Horse ---- killing one another,

Seal 3 -- Black Horse -- Famine/financial shift

Seal 4-- Pale horse ---- Nuclear War

Seal 5 -- unknown effect on the world

Seal 6 -- Possible pole shift

4. The Mark, Beast tech, --- Bio Technology that uses the human body as a means of authentication. Camera surveillance, finger scanners, iris and retinal scanners, facial recognition, palm scanners, and vein readers; all being rolled out for world wide monitoring.

5. More vaccines being introduced having electronic/magnetic/DNAaltering properties.

6. AI our future overlords

7. Abrahamic Accords – peace and safety then sudden destruction.

8. Antichrist – little horn currently at work in the first half of Trib.

9. False prophet Cop 27 10 commandments
10.Uniting the religions of the world under Chrislam.

11. Temple exists currently under ground. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaXbN1RX8X0

12. Revelation 11:1-2 outer court given to the gentiles is above ground level.

13. Antichrist has currently put a stop to the daily sacrifice in the Temple or he never started this action (v.8:11)

14. Antichrist is then in the temple and God immediately zaps him and he dies mid-trib.

15. The second half of the Trib is an AI rendering “image of the beast”

16. Chapter 7 -- 144 thousand sealed

17. Chapter 7 – Great multitude in Heaven. At a time you don’t expect. Mid-Trib?

18. Future chapters represent Israel’s transgressions God’s 3.5 years of wrath.

19. “Unless the time was shortened” Tribulation length is 2300 days
or 6.3 years.
20. Date of the end of the Tribulation with a starting date of march 11, 2020 = 6/18/2026
21. The two witnesses Counting backward from 6/18/2026 They begin on January 5, 2023 if not sooner.
22. To be continued.

Agenda 21 is Our Introduction to the Tribulation of Revelation | Spirit | Before It's News​

 

[Timtofly]

I think it was soon after the Pentecost Holy Spirit event. Considering what happened, the disciples had a commission from Jesus to start the church and after that Pentecost the disciples most certainly were there to help spread the word so Johnconnected with the men from Asia.

Why wouldn’t John tell us that he was in prison if he was? The whole church was being persecuted, and he was there to further the word of God and share the testimony of Jesus.

??

So John wrote letters to churches that were not even in existence yet, but would be in about 10 years? If it was John who started those 7 churches how long would that take? Seems Patmos would have been his last stop?

If John went to a small island to evangelize, will those beheaded evangelize by chopping their heads off?

John did not tell us much about himself, because the book is about Jesus Christ. If John had not placed that line into the book, would we have even known about him being on Patmos at all? Did people even live on the island? Were there buildings, or was he shipwrecked and stranded?

 

[Bibleinvestigations]

So John wrote letters to churches that were not even in existence yet, but would be in about 10 years? If it was John who started those 7 churches how long would that take? Seems Patmos would have been his last stop?

How did you date the letters that John wrote?

John did not tell us much about himself, because the book is about Jesus Christ. If John had not placed that line into the book, would we have even known about him being on Patmos at all? Did people even live on the island? Were there buildings, or was he shipwrecked and stranded?

We know he was there to spread his testimony about Jesus Christ. What else do we need to know?

 

[Timtofly]

How did you date the letters that John wrote?

We know he was there to spread his testimony about Jesus Christ. What else do we need to know?

You are the one saying he went to Patmos at Pentecost. He went to a an island where no one lived, to spread the Gospel?