69 Week To The 70 Week?

[veteran]

Definitely of the anti-christ spirit.. You just said that there's no earth in heaven but still claim Satan was thrown out of the garden of Eden in heaven.

I'm trying the spirits, and yours isn't following what's written in God's Word, for in the beginning God created the heavens (pl.) and the earth (singular). Check that out in the Hebrew; you might learn something.

Upon Christ's second coming, we wil be caught up in the air to meet him and will be carried into the barn which is New Jerusalem. The wicked like the tares are bundled together and thrown into the lake of fire where the Beast, the false prophet, the devil that decieved them, and all the ungodly up to the time of the 2nd resurrection/Gog and Magog war, are. The new heavenly earth and new heavenly Jerusalem are already in effect, that's why Revelation ends with blessed are those that keep the commandments that they may enter thru the gates into the city, new Jerusalem.

In Mark 13 is where Christ said the tares were to be separated from the good wheat, with the tares bundled to be burned. He didn't say exactly that the tares would be burned at that moment of harvest. He said that would happen at the end of this world. Problem with your theory, is that Christ gave more info on that later in His Book of Revelation, revealing there's a "thousand years" period before those tares are burned in the "lake of fire" (Rev.20:14-15).

You've also missed what the "outer darkness" is that Christ mentioned.

A second resurrection is inferred in Rev.20. It is not what many think it is, and certainly not what you're saying it is.

Being "caught up" of 1 Thess.4 involves the resurrection at Christ's return, the change to resurrection bodies on the "last trump" Paul preached in 1 Cor.15. Paul was pulling that idea from Isaiah 25 which speaks of the vail cast over all nations being removed. It's pointing to the heavenly dimension revealed to all, here on THIS earth. Like I said, John 5 shows the wicked will be resurrected to the "resurrection of damnation" at that time too. No such idea in God's Word of the saints being 'raptured' to Heaven while the wicked stay on earth in flesh bodies. Both are resurrected at Christ's coming, as written.

Maybe you should read Rev.22:14-15 about those who are OUTSIDE the gates of the Holy City during Christ's Milennium reign on earth. Rev.20:9 shows the "camp of the saints" and "beloved city" is on this earth, and that's where Satan leads the nations upon it to attack it, and THEN, God rains fire DOWN OUT OF HEAVEN TO BURN THEM UP! Guess that means the Holy City is on this earth which Christ and His elect priests and kings will reign from during that thousand years? Yes.

So you're telling me Satan has been here for 2,000yrs and there's no beast kingdom? Daniel 2 says in the days of the kings of the 4th and 5th beasts is when Christ will set up his kingdom, he didn't say the world would end at the time of the stone smiting the image. It's during Rome's occupation of Israel that Christ established his heavenly kingdom by resurrecting mankind thru the sacrifice of his blood thru his crucifixion. It is at this time of the image's feet that God forgives man trespasses and allows man to be redeemeded from the grave, the 1st resurrection.

Boy are you wrong. Who have you been listening to? Daniel 2 shows a beast kingdom of ten toes made of part iron and part clay will be existing when the "stone" (Christ) comes to smite it upon its feet, and then the whole beast image together, the gold, the silver, the brass, the iron, and the clay all come tumbling down. Then an everlasting kingdom is setup that will NEVER be destroyed, which of course only points to Christ's Eternal Kingdom. That final beast kingdom of part clay and part iron is being setup on earth today, but it is not yet completed. Got it?

Since that beast kingdom of part iron and part clay is to be existing when Christ comes to smite it upon its feet, THAT OF COURSE MEANS IT AIN'T HISTORY YET!

The first resurrection has NOT happened yet today either!

And it seems like you lack reading comprehension. Of everything that I have written to you, which I consider to be golden nuggets/pearls, you keep harping on a lie. A 3rd grader could read and comprehend your folly. Keep knocking! :lol:

What you're TRYING to push here is a lie. It's the seminary doctrines of men you're preaching, associated with the Full Preterist and Historicist views. Want to know HOW I know that? Because I was raised in a Protestant Church that was on the partial Preterist view. They saw most of Revelation as fulfilled already back in 70 A.D. with the Romans. They taught very, very little prophecy for the future. Good thing, because they don't have a clue. But at least they didn't preach lies of the Full Preterist view that the resurrection has already happenned back in 70 A.D., and the terrible lie that Christ's second coming happenned then also.

 

[veteran]

If Daniel saw the same 70 years that Jeremiah saw, then they are 70 weeks of wrath. So the last week of wrath still has in a way not happened yet, even though the 70 years Jeremiah talked about has come and gone. So this last week, the 70th week that Daniel saw is going to be a week of wrath, not restoration for Isreal.

Is there any difference in the term "years" that Jeremiah saw and "weeks" that Danial saw? I'm trying to understand how one could last 70 actual years and the other over about 2,000 years.

So what do you all think?

There's some interplay between the two prophecies, but basically they shouldn't be confused with earth other. The 70 years Jeremiah was shown was about 70 literal years of captivity for the house of Judah to Babylon. And it happenned just that way.

But the 70 weeks prophecy Daniel was given covers a longer timeframe, to include the time up to Christ's return and the future cleansing of Jerusalem at His return.

The "wow, you mean there's been over a 2,000 year gap between the 69th week and the final 70th week of the Daniel prophecy?" type doctrinists should not sway your thinking, AS LONG AS you heed how the Dan.9 prophecy is written. The number of weeks given, AND the events to be finished at the end of it per the Dan.9:24 verse serves as a fence for the prophecy. The unbelievable 2,000 year proposition is being used by those who go outside the fence, and is thus a path away from heeding the prophecy as written.

Just think, would our Heavenly Father ever bother with giving us very much of His Truth if we paid attention to the unbelievers out there that say things like, "Wow, you mean you believe the man Jesus was born of woman without sexual intercourse?!" That's the same sort who say things like, "Wow, you mean you believe there's a 2,000 year time gap between the 69th and 70th week of the Daniel prophecy?!" My answer to them is, you betcha! If it is written, count on it.