(JosyWales;64504)
Christina is on the right track.The basis behind Logabe's interpretation is that the Seventy Weeks are not really 70 weeks but, instead, days which he then reinterprets as being years. That is to say the 70 weeks are to be turned into 490 days (correct so far) but then are to become years, thus becoming 490 years.This is derived from the failed theory of William Miller. The following is a quote from Wikipedia (please notice the reference to the "day-year principle".The Seventh-day Adventist Church is the largest of several "Adventist" groups which arose from the Millerite movement of the 1840s. The Millerite movement was part of the wave of revivalism in the United States known as the Second Great Awakening and originated with William Miller, a Baptist preacher from Low Hampton, New York. Miller predicted on the basis of Daniel 8:14 and the "day-year principle" that Jesus Christ would return to Earth on October 22, 1844. When this failed to occur, most of his followers disbanded and returned to their original churches .Also Cristiana was very astute to observe that the 3 1/2 years are indeed the 42 months of Revelations (which is what it clearly says), which is in direct conflict with the theory that Logabe is proposing.Not only that, but the Seventy week prophecy was a direct reinterpretation of the Seventy Year prophecy found in Jeremiah which the prayer of Daniel 9 was based on, indicating that the Seventy Weeks are going to be similar to the Seventy years, with the exception that the days are shortened. This was what Jesus said in Matt 24:22 and Mark 13:20 where He states: And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.Do I need to point out that turning 70 weeks into 490 years is not "shortening" them?This also indicates that Jesus Himself believed the Seventy Weeks to be a future event and not already passed or in the end of passing. Again, I will state that because of what I have previously shown you in the Bible of how the days of Revelation fit perfectly with the days of Daniel 9 adding up to exactly 2300 days, the Seventy Weeks are indeed exactly what the Bible says they are.There are many more proofs, but I am loath to go into them all at once as those reading would likely be overwhelmed by the volume. I wish to keep this as simple as possible to avoid misunderstanding. However, if something doesn't seem right or you need clarification on a particular, I am happy to attempt to clear it up.
Hi Josy,I'm having trouble with some of things you've stated.Why are "days" to be interpreted as "years"? The Bible gives us a clue.2 Peter 3:8 "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day".The other clue is that God told Adam "in the DAY you eat of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt surely die." Adam died in THAT DAY. Not just spritually, but physically. He did not live to a thousand years. He died before the day was up.So I ask, did God lie? No, of course not. Adam died in THAT DAY.This "day as a thousand years" interpretation is NOT soley owned by the Seventh Day Adventists. The Seventh Day Adventists were organized AFTER the Millerite group when Christ failed to return when they expected. The Protestant Reformers were using this day=thousand years interpretation long before the Seventh Day Adventists arrived. So I don't understand your point here.Are you arguing against the "day as a thousand years" interpretation or not?Jesus stated the 70 x 7 himself. 70 years x 7 = 490. He knew what he was talking about. The Prophet Daniel's prophecy. From the rebuilding of the Second Temple in troublous times to death of Christ on the Cross was 490 years. The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD was indeed a FUTURE event according to Jesus in which he instructed his disciples that all in Judea would have to flee to the mountains. "70 weeks shall be determined upon thy people." From Christ's birth to the total destruction of Jerusalem AND the Temple, was 70 years. This is the 70 week prophecy. So Jesus was pointing out TWO things, the 490 years of the prophet Daniel AND the 70 weeks from his birth to the total destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple.So yes, the 490 DOES have something to with the 70 week prophecy. Because the 70 weeks is incorporated into the 490 years.THIS is the time Jesus was referring to when he said, unless those days be shorted "no flesh would be saved".What happened shortly after Jesus died? The Jews and Israelites had to FLEE to the mountains from the Romans! The PERSECUTION of the saints! It was THOSE days that had to be shorted or NO Christian would have been left to be a testament of Jesus. Millions of Christians were martyred in the years to follow.Let's look at what Jesus said again in those verses:Mark 13:14-20 "But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.For [in] those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days."THIS is the prophecy of the coming destruction of Jerusalem and the PERSECUTION of the saints! The "abomination of desolation standing in the holy place" is when the Romans set up a statue of Jupiter in the former Holy of Holies where the Temple once stood. This makes perfect sense to me.This is NOT "latter day" prophecy, but an IMMEDIATE prophecy of the coming destruction of Jerusalem. Remember, close to 60 million, some estimate as high as 100 million Christians were martyred in the 1000 years to follow. THIS is time Jesus referred to as having to be shortened otherwise no flesh would be saved. Believe me, I fought with this for many years. Then I realized it makes perfect sense!The Bible is not complicated. It was meant to be read and understood in plain and simple language. The concepts and ideas in the Bible are quite simple. It's just that many want to make it more complicated than it needs to be.Remember, to Jesus and his disciples EVERYTHING that was to follow WAS the FUTURE to them.Even John wrote in the book of Revelation, "Rev. 1:1 (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must SHORTLY come to pass; and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John:"What does "SHORTLY come to pass" mean? It means the IMMEDIATE future.Now I'm not a Preterist. But we need to understand that MOST of Bible prophecy has ALREADY been fulfilled with exception of the FAll of Mystery Babylon, the Resurrection of the Saints, The Second Coming and Great and Final Battle of our Lord Jesus when he comes back to rule the earth!We've been in the end times for the last 2000 years.But since a "day to the Lord is as a thousand years", in God's time, it's only been a couple of days.Kim