A Biblical Lesson on Spiritual Discernment

[Davidpt]

He believes the "He" in verse 27 is referring to the Messiah, Jesus Christ, just as all Christians who actually have discernment do.

And guess what? I also take that 'He' in question to be meaning the Messiah in verse 27. But even so, you still take issue with my interpretation of that verse.. I can't win for losing.

 

[Truth7t7]

But, Truth7t7 said none of Daniel 9:26-27, including the reference to the Messiah being cut off, relates to Christ's death on the cross. I believe you should consider removing your love emoji response from that post.

(Messiah being cut off) has nothing to do with the death of Jesus on Calvary as you believe, it's when the armies surround Jerusalem and the building of the wall and street stops, the building to Messiah is Cut Off

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

And guess what? I also take that 'He' in question to be meaning the Messiah in verse 27. But even so, you still take issue with my interpretation of that verse.. I can't win for losing.

I didn't say otherwise, so can you explain what you're talking about here?

 

[CrowCross]

(Messiah being cut off) has nothing to do with the death of Jesus on Calvary as you believe, it's when the armies surround Jerusalem and the building of the wall and street stops, the building to Messiah is Cut Off

How do you know that?

That sounds more like someones speculative theory.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

(Messiah being cut off) has nothing to do with the death of Jesus on Calvary as you believe,

As I and a vast majority of Christians believe because that is so obviously what the Messiah being cut off means.

it's when the armies surround Jerusalem and the building of the wall and street stops, the building to Messiah is Cut Off

That is not at all what the verse says. Do you deny that the following verse is about Jesus, also?

Isaiah 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment, And who will declare His generation? For He was cut off from the land of the living; For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I concur that they are one and the same when the grammar is honored.

Messiah.

It seems to me that the grammar would indicate that the "he" in verse 27 points back to the reference to the Messiah in verse 26 and not to "the prince that will come" because the Messiah is the last individual focused on in verse 26. It's the people of the prince to come that would destroy the city and the sanctuary, so in that part of the verse it's the people being focused on and not the prince to come.

So, in my understanding of the grammar, the "he" in verse 27 is pointing to the reference to the Messiah in verse 26. Because of this, I believe that seeing the prince to come as being Titus is a viable interpretation, even though I now disagree with it, and in no way does interpreting it that way mean that verse 27 has to be referring to Titus or to a future Antichrist, as some interpret the identity of the prince to come. But, the proper grammar of the passage seems to be debatable as it seems that Hebrew grammar rules would allow for the possibility of the "he" in verse 27 to possibly refer back to the last individual who was specifically the subject, which was the Messiah, or to the prince who is to come.

Regardless, we and WPM agree that what makes no sense is that verses 26 and 27 could possibly refer to some future Antichrist and that verse 27 refers to Messiah the prince, Jesus Christ.

 

[WPM]

This is confusing because WPM said that he believes the prince of the people who shall come is Titus with the Roman Army. How could it be Titus with the Roman Army since the prince of the people that shall come is the same he that shall confirm the covenant with many of vs. 27.

He is not the same, in my opinion! There is two princes - one the Messiah, and the other Titus. From my studies, and I have read a lot on this, my position would be the traditional Protestant view over the years.

 

[Truth7t7]

As I and a vast majority of Christians believe because that is so obviously what the Messiah being cut off means.


That is not at all what the verse says. Do you deny that the following verse is about Jesus, also?

Isaiah 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment, And who will declare His generation? For He was cut off from the land of the living; For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.

Does Daniel's (Little Horn) stop the daily sacrifice in the verses below?

Daniel 8:9-11KJV
9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Does Daniel's (Little Horn) stop the daily sacrifice in the verses below?

Daniel 8:9-11KJV
9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

Answer my question first.

Do you deny that the following verse is about Jesus like you do Daniel 9:26 that references the Messiah being cut off, but not for Himself?

Isaiah 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment, And who will declare His generation? For He was cut off from the land of the living; For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.