StanJ
Lifelong student of God's Word.
I answered you Cooter. I posted a link that addressed this issue about Jesus' Revelation being fulfilled. You would have seen that had you read the link.Cooter said:I understand why you cannot address any of the points - because you have no answers no alternative. Tell us why Jesus' warning to his followers was so terribly urgent? Or has this too been exported to the future? Typical Futurist defense - Denial with no scriptural backing whatsoever. Everything I said was historical fact by mostly eyewitnesses. The words of Jesus, Paul, and Daniel were all put together logically and every word can be accounted for. Futurists cannot and never will go through scripture word for word line for line and give a coherent, historically accurate, and common sense interpretation. Instead they back up their belief system with "Proof texts" which are hardly ever consistent with the context from which they were "cherry picked" from.
What happened in 70AD had nothing to do with Revelation, but feel free to point them out ONE at a time and I'll deal with them.
As John received Jesus' Revelation AFTER 70 AD, 96 to be exact, it obviously cannot have been fulfilled yet. Immanency in the NT is common, but does NOT indicate it IS in real time. Remember NO MAN KNOWS. BTW, I didn't see a whole lot of PROOF texts in your post, just assertions.
John mentions the antichrist four times in his epistles. In 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, the antichrist is described as the "man of sin," or "son of perdition." Here Paul, like John, is also warning believers about the antichrist's ability to deceive:Cooter said:Case in point: the "Antichrist" - there is no such individual mentioned in scripture. And yet Futurists insist on his (Future) existence. Futurists will never bother to study the complete books of John 1 and 2. Nor are they able or willing to go through the text word for word and line for line because there is NOTHING there to support their sensational and exciting belief system. Lets see you do it! You will not because it is not possible without disproving your standard adopted belief system. John defines the "antichrist" (translated small "a" because it is not a proper noun - it is not a single entity) as those who were once a part of the church (thrown out or having left) who were teaching that Jesus did not come in the flesh and then died for all of humanity. This is the major tenant of Christianity - without this Christianity would not exist.) He calls them liars and deceivers - and they were plural and not singular.These were the Gnostics of the first century and John who was a custodian of the truth of the Gospel according to Jesus was telling his followers to beware of their false doctrines. Nowhere does it say that this "antichrist" is a single person, and nowhere does it say that it is some boogeyman outside of the Christian faith. Nor does it say that this one lone boogeyman will not be manifest until some distant future. There is no entity in the 21st century or beyond that is scripturally defined as "Antichrist."
"Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."
The NIV makes it clearer that a time of rebellion will come prior to Christ's return and then the "man of lawlessness, the man doomed to destruction" will be revealed. The antichrist eventually will exalt himself above God to be worshiped in the Lord's Temple, proclaiming himself to be God. Verses 9 and 10 say that the antichrist will do counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, to gain a following and deceive many.
In the Gospels (Mark 13, Matthew 24-25, and Luke 21), Jesus warned his followers of the terrible events and persecution that will occur before his second coming. Most likely, this is where the concept of an antichrist was first introduced to the disciples, although Jesus does not refer to him in the singular:
"For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect." Matthew 24:24
You are right in that cherry picking some verses and not taking all the Bible into account can lead one to an erroneous understanding of the future.
Well that's a plus I guess. What you recognize and what is FACT, are NOT necessarily the same thing, but feel free to corroborate your POV from scripture.Cooter said:I am not a Preterist - I am always accused of being one because I recognize that the majority of prophesy has been fulfilled historically. You cannot show me on the web or anywhere else where my post is "Preterist." All of my writing comes out of endless hours of personal Bible study and not out of somebody's video, book. or internet source.
I'm sure many Preterists said the same thing, as did many false teachers. Let's just focus on the Word of God and HOW it is able to support you POV or not.